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I think Paul's genuine epistles were the first Christian writings except the genuine epistles constantly claim and confirm (affirm) they are not the first or original membership of the group in question how can you say they are genuine and not also accept their claim that they are not the start of ...

Yes they were. Philonic and Pauline. It was the beginning. The one place Acts doesn't go. Marcion was Alexandrian. nope. nah, i see where you're going wrong though its true Philo and what-not, Pauline you call it, are part of this identifiable trend going on that's philosophical and is the origins ...

No the Odes are just not having it. The Odes say they are the original keepers so by definition the answer is no to that Were the Marcionites the keepers of the original Christian faith? Therefore No, only to the extent they kept certain parts unchanged from the 'spiritual' side of things One can't ...

which is why the epistles can be throwing us off the scent. they encompass a bunch of esoteric or mystical things but laying them down in a structured framework really as if presenting them for the first time. But that could just be an intentional feature to make them seem early If there were plenty...

after all , the epistles undermine the claim when they reveal there were other competing traditions and i think it is such as these that may have sourced the gospel stories. I think we also can't just assume that the Gospel stories are based (or mostly based) on other traditions. It's possible that...

that 1Co 11:23 is a pre-pauline creed is unlikely, when the same word 'received' is used of revelations elsewhere in the epistles. highly doubtful commensurate with this, if the epistles don't mention the gospel story its likely because they consciously avoid all such material. i mean, using the epi...

I completely agree with Ken Olson. Just because Paul believed that Jesus was physically raised to heaven doesn't mean Paul knew about anyone actually finding the tomb empty like we find in Mark. The story of people finding the tomb empty could be completely made-up. I personally think the finding o...

goods points, but its obvious to me the disciple Jesus loves is Magdalene and the redactor probably changed it from Mary at these points, but didn't scrub out all the pieces. This would indicate an earlier tradition where she plays more of a role than she does already (a notable role), so even after...

one argument for a proto john is if john were actually using a source for some of it's material and adding a narrative John reminds me of the way a few gnostic texts do this So this would be the first person Jesus stuff of an older revelation or treatise. maybe the prologue John seems quite suited t...

which is interesting from a historicist perspective if your beloved leader suffers such a fate as to be crucified the memorial and remembrance of such would be expected to feature but that is not the same thing as a theology based around the event this is exactly what we see in the Odes where the ev...