Search found 497 matches

by rgprice
Sun Apr 18, 2021 4:54 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A peculiar (and mathematical) argument for Lucan priority and Matthean posteriority.
Replies: 39
Views: 735

Re: A peculiar (and mathematical) argument for Lucan priority and Matthean posteriority.

Just to throw out one more example. Luke 11:29-32 was not present in Marcion. This section, about the "sign of Jonah", looks very much like something that had to have been copied by Luke from Matthew. The whole thing is almost identical between the two in ways that its extremely difficult to imagine...
by rgprice
Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:53 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A peculiar (and mathematical) argument for Lucan priority and Matthean posteriority.
Replies: 39
Views: 735

Re: A peculiar (and mathematical) argument for Lucan priority and Matthean posteriority.

@Charles Wilson Certainly possible, and could account for some of the alterations he made to the original genealogy. It was anti-Marcionite simply to present Jesus as having been born of a woman, thereby making him a part of the creation. It's possible that interpreting the original genealogy throug...
by rgprice
Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A peculiar (and mathematical) argument for Lucan priority and Matthean posteriority.
Replies: 39
Views: 735

Re: A peculiar (and mathematical) argument for Lucan priority and Matthean posteriority.

@Ken Again, can you demonstrate that canonical Luke harmonized proto-Luke with Matthew in particular cases? Or distinguish between the contents of Proto-Luke and Canonical Luke? Yes, but I'm not going to go into extensive detail here. But you could if you wanted to? Yeah, it's in the book I'm worki...
by rgprice
Sat Apr 17, 2021 6:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A peculiar (and mathematical) argument for Lucan priority and Matthean posteriority.
Replies: 39
Views: 735

Re: A peculiar (and mathematical) argument for Lucan priority and Matthean posteriority.

@Ken Again, can you demonstrate that canonical Luke harmonized proto-Luke with Matthew in particular cases? Or distinguish between the contents of Proto-Luke and Canonical Luke? Yes, but I'm not going to go into extensive detail here. I'll explain the outline of it. We start with the Gospel of Mark....
by rgprice
Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:55 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A peculiar (and mathematical) argument for Lucan priority and Matthean posteriority.
Replies: 39
Views: 735

Re: A peculiar (and mathematical) argument for Lucan priority and Matthean posteriority.

I'm a little late to this thread, but the approach to this whole issue never ceases to amaze me. To me the whole thing seems pretty obvious at this point. There was a proto-Luke. Matthew copied from proto-Luke. Canonical Luke is a harmonization of proto-Luke with Matthew. I don't understand why so m...
by rgprice
Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:31 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Cor 11: "when you come together as a church"
Replies: 37
Views: 601

Re: 1 Cor 11: "when you come together as a church"

So actually its not bishops that Paul mentions, but deacons (Phil 1:1). Another interesting aspect of 1 Cor 11 is v19, where it reads: "19 For there also have to be factions among you, so that those who are approved may become evident among you. " Richard Last argues that "factions" is a poor transl...
by rgprice
Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Cor 11: "when you come together as a church"
Replies: 37
Views: 601

Re: 1 Cor 11: "when you come together as a church"

To me, a big issue is that of the various officer positions, such a bishops, etc. that Paul mentions. It seems that many people take these to be Christian inventions, and thus signs of a mature or developed church structure. But I don't see this as the case. More likely, Paul was dealing with establ...
by rgprice
Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:41 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Justin Martyr, the Gospel of Luke, and Marcion.
Replies: 83
Views: 1893

Re: Justin Martyr, the Gospel of Luke, and Marcion.

We should include serious investigation of passages that are often argued not to have been in the "Marcionite Gospel," for some kind of good reason, even if there isn't explicit attestation of their absence from that text. If it seemed a probable conclusion when we didn't have this specific hypothe...
by rgprice
Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:20 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Cor 11: "when you come together as a church"
Replies: 37
Views: 601

1 Cor 11: "when you come together as a church"

This is an interesting passage: 17 Now in giving this next instruction I do not praise you, because you come together not for the better, but for the worse. 18 For, in the first place, when you come together as a ekklēsia , I hear that divisions exist among you; and in part I believe it. 19 For ther...
by rgprice
Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Justin Martyr, the Gospel of Luke, and Marcion.
Replies: 83
Views: 1893

Re: Justin Martyr, the Gospel of Luke, and Marcion.

Good info here. I don't have much to add in the way of details, just a point out something. Based on the three stage theory of canonical Luke, it may be very difficult to really identify use of canonical Luke vs proto-Luke. If Luke was created via Marcion > proto-Luke > canonical-Luke, it may be imp...