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- Thu Sep 28, 2023 9:48 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Everyone’s Radical Vanity Project
- Replies: 11
- Views: 5502
- Fri Sep 22, 2023 6:37 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Paul Needed to be a Persecutor
- Replies: 9
- Views: 1761
Re: Paul Needed to be a Persecutor
Lol, whatever. Move some goal posts, change topics, condescend, revert to remembered argument with someone else, etc.
Good luck with “Mark” = “Marcion.” Sancta simplicitas.
Good luck with “Mark” = “Marcion.” Sancta simplicitas.
- Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:40 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Paul Needed to be a Persecutor
- Replies: 9
- Views: 1761
Re: Paul Needed to be a Persecutor
One last comment here. Trying to understand the earlier Paul by using what little we can accurately know about the later Marcion, or by using the way the Marcionites chose to selectively spin Paul’s letters to support their own predilections as found in the polemic writings of their doctrinal enemi...
- Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:01 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Paul Needed to be a Persecutor
- Replies: 9
- Views: 1761
Re: Paul Needed to be a Persecutor
I have found myself agreeing with Clabeaux a lot. My conclusion is that the Marcionite text of Paul represents a stage of the letters at a point of time where revisions from many sects had been made, but the major Lukan redaction had not yet occurred. I think we can safely conclude that these texts...
- Sat Sep 16, 2023 8:44 am
- Forum: Other Texts and History
- Topic: Massive New Biography of Spinoza by J. Israel
- Replies: 3
- Views: 11890
Re: Massive New Biography of Spinoza by J. Israel
One of his early books was a history of the Dutch Republic, which as Americans we know nothing about, even though it was a crucible of modern capitalism, toleration, spirituality, religion, theology, and republican government (as opposed to monarchy). Didn’t they have something to do with New York? ...
- Wed Sep 13, 2023 3:28 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Marcionite readings of the Christ Hymn?
- Replies: 10
- Views: 8417
Re: Marcionite readings of the Christ Hymn?
The canonical version contains more outrageous heresy than any patristic report about Marcionism. It stands in blaring contradiction to THE cardinal point of Christian christology, i.e., INCARNATION of the Word. He thought better of being equal with God? What? He was “found in appearance as a human”...
- Sun Sep 10, 2023 6:13 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: A good overview of early Christian orthodoxy?
- Replies: 10
- Views: 8551
Re: A good overview of early Christian orthodoxy?
Orthodoxy is not a set of beliefs or a theology or a sect or a style of religion. It is a political concept, meaning agreement with The Truth. Maybe in some abstract way, The Truth is whatever the authorities say it is, whether bishops, heretics, philosophers, prophets, sages, magoi, etc. But when t...
- Sun Sep 10, 2023 5:40 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Open thread on Charbonnel
- Replies: 10
- Views: 1445
Re: Open thread on Charbonnel
The best part of the book is the central table, which shows that most of the stories in the Gospels are allusions to the OT. Other than that, I didn't really enjoy reading it. The table is very useful. But I also like her introduction, a bracing, delightful indictment of modern hermeneutics. She tr...
- Fri Sep 08, 2023 12:42 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Open thread on Charbonnel
- Replies: 10
- Views: 1445
Re: Open thread on Charbonnel
Ok, but leave aside Dubourg and the epistles. Charbonnel is only dealing with the 4-Gospel book. The lack of evidence for a Hebrew text, and the unlikelihood that the Greek Gospels were a translation from Hebrew, is a more interesting point. The DSS show that Jews were writing midrash on the older s...
- Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:22 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Open thread on Charbonnel
- Replies: 10
- Views: 1445
Open thread on Charbonnel
If Charbonnel and her predecessors are right about the Gospels being Midrash from soup to nuts, the mythicism debate of the last twenty years has been misconceived. Ancient Jews wouldn’t need to have been inspired by a historical Jesus in order to write the Gospels; they had the Hebrew and LXX scrip...