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by Irish1975
Thu Sep 28, 2023 9:48 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Everyone’s Radical Vanity Project
Replies: 11
Views: 5306

Everyone’s Radical Vanity Project

Congratulations to Everyone for having solved the puzzle of early Christianity, each in their own unique way. We’re all heroes.

:notworthy:
by Irish1975
Fri Sep 22, 2023 6:37 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul Needed to be a Persecutor
Replies: 9
Views: 1518

Re: Paul Needed to be a Persecutor

Lol, whatever. Move some goal posts, change topics, condescend, revert to remembered argument with someone else, etc.

Good luck with “Mark” = “Marcion.” Sancta simplicitas.
by Irish1975
Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:40 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul Needed to be a Persecutor
Replies: 9
Views: 1518

Re: Paul Needed to be a Persecutor

One last comment here. Trying to understand the earlier Paul by using what little we can accurately know about the later Marcion, or by using the way the Marcionites chose to selectively spin Paul’s letters to support their own predilections as found in the polemic writings of their doctrinal enemi...
by Irish1975
Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:01 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul Needed to be a Persecutor
Replies: 9
Views: 1518

Re: Paul Needed to be a Persecutor

I have found myself agreeing with Clabeaux a lot. My conclusion is that the Marcionite text of Paul represents a stage of the letters at a point of time where revisions from many sects had been made, but the major Lukan redaction had not yet occurred. I think we can safely conclude that these texts...
by Irish1975
Sat Sep 16, 2023 8:44 am
Forum: Other Texts and History
Topic: Massive New Biography of Spinoza by J. Israel
Replies: 3
Views: 9508

Re: Massive New Biography of Spinoza by J. Israel

One of his early books was a history of the Dutch Republic, which as Americans we know nothing about, even though it was a crucible of modern capitalism, toleration, spirituality, religion, theology, and republican government (as opposed to monarchy). Didn’t they have something to do with New York? ...
by Irish1975
Wed Sep 13, 2023 3:28 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcionite readings of the Christ Hymn?
Replies: 10
Views: 8285

Re: Marcionite readings of the Christ Hymn?

The canonical version contains more outrageous heresy than any patristic report about Marcionism. It stands in blaring contradiction to THE cardinal point of Christian christology, i.e., INCARNATION of the Word. He thought better of being equal with God? What? He was “found in appearance as a human”...
by Irish1975
Sun Sep 10, 2023 6:13 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A good overview of early Christian orthodoxy?
Replies: 10
Views: 8399

Re: A good overview of early Christian orthodoxy?

Orthodoxy is not a set of beliefs or a theology or a sect or a style of religion. It is a political concept, meaning agreement with The Truth. Maybe in some abstract way, The Truth is whatever the authorities say it is, whether bishops, heretics, philosophers, prophets, sages, magoi, etc. But when t...
by Irish1975
Sun Sep 10, 2023 5:40 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Open thread on Charbonnel
Replies: 10
Views: 1225

Re: Open thread on Charbonnel

The best part of the book is the central table, which shows that most of the stories in the Gospels are allusions to the OT. Other than that, I didn't really enjoy reading it. The table is very useful. But I also like her introduction, a bracing, delightful indictment of modern hermeneutics. She tr...
by Irish1975
Fri Sep 08, 2023 12:42 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Open thread on Charbonnel
Replies: 10
Views: 1225

Re: Open thread on Charbonnel

Ok, but leave aside Dubourg and the epistles. Charbonnel is only dealing with the 4-Gospel book. The lack of evidence for a Hebrew text, and the unlikelihood that the Greek Gospels were a translation from Hebrew, is a more interesting point. The DSS show that Jews were writing midrash on the older s...
by Irish1975
Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:22 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Open thread on Charbonnel
Replies: 10
Views: 1225

Open thread on Charbonnel

If Charbonnel and her predecessors are right about the Gospels being Midrash from soup to nuts, the mythicism debate of the last twenty years has been misconceived. Ancient Jews wouldn’t need to have been inspired by a historical Jesus in order to write the Gospels; they had the Hebrew and LXX scrip...