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by Joseph D. L.
Mon Mar 25, 2024 2:20 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus
Replies: 62
Views: 859

Re: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus

Giuseppe, are you saying that Ignatius is a witness to people who denied the historicity of Jesus? For one thing, if he is I don't see how that is an argument in favour of mythicism because the two, historicity and mythicism, are relatably different and demand two different categories of evidence to...
by Joseph D. L.
Mon Mar 25, 2024 2:05 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?
Replies: 39
Views: 826

Re: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?

I'm not sure I'm following you. Paul thought that Torah observance was no longer necessary for Jews and calls himself Jewish, which makes his letters Jewish writings, and Marcion used them. And the Ebionite Matthew was a Jewish writing that was anti-sacrifice and largely unobservant, and I'm sugges...
by Joseph D. L.
Mon Mar 25, 2024 12:58 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?
Replies: 39
Views: 826

Re: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?

I have serious reservations with following the timeline from any church father, especially Epiphanius. Not only is he writing in the 4th century, far removed from the scene of the crime, and he is not above making stuff up (like the Nazarenes antedating Christ). Might you be confusing Nazarenes (Ep...
by Joseph D. L.
Thu Mar 21, 2024 3:39 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?
Replies: 39
Views: 826

Re: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?

That isn't what you said. Yes, it is. No it is not. You said: "So having access to and using a Jewish gospel wouldn't be unusual for Marcion (especially one that was largely anti-OT/anti-sacrifice)" The syntactic construction of this line reads that Marcion would use a Jewish Gospel that ...
by Joseph D. L.
Thu Mar 21, 2024 2:52 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Enough Criticism!! Why the naked slutboy in Mark 14:51?
Replies: 55
Views: 3526

Re: Enough Criticism!! Why the naked slutboy in Mark 14:51?

If the baptism theory is true then it tells us where “dying with Christ” begins: when Jesus is betrayed and taken to the High Priest. Thank you, that is an insightful suggestion here. Last but not least, perhaps there is a connection to Mark 2:20-21: The days will come when the bridegroom is taken ...
by Joseph D. L.
Tue Mar 19, 2024 5:58 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Flaw with Marcion priority theory?
Replies: 17
Views: 550

Re: Flaw with Marcion priority theory?

Hey DCHindley. Long time. The only sources are the ones available to us. I am aware of no new discovery about Marcionism, so the only resources I have are church attestation and my own biased observations. Like you I think the Evangelion ascribed to Marcion is, if not fully fraudulent, then represen...
by Joseph D. L.
Mon Mar 18, 2024 2:07 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Source of Mark's Naked Youth Narrative?
Replies: 18
Views: 420

Re: The Source of Mark's Naked Youth Narrative?

I don't accept the idea that these minor prophets and lesser texts could have been the basis for a gospel narrative. Doesn't mean I am right. I am just skeptical. Joseph was iconic. Are you thinking that the writer had in mind a more philosophical exegesis? I was reading a book that mentioned somet...
by Joseph D. L.
Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:29 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Flaw with Marcion priority theory?
Replies: 17
Views: 550

Re: Flaw with Marcion priority theory?

dabber wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 4:45 am Thanks Joseph DL. I really like the layers theory, does make lot of sense, going to re-visit this. Cheers Adam
It is one theory among many. Scepticism is the key.
by Joseph D. L.
Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:27 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Flaw with Marcion priority theory?
Replies: 17
Views: 550

Re: Flaw with Marcion priority theory?

Thank you Peter. I know the last time my behaviour was becoming erratic, a consequence of real life bleeding into my participation on this forum. I apologize for the bad blood I caused.
by Joseph D. L.
Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:03 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Flaw with Marcion priority theory?
Replies: 17
Views: 550

Re: Flaw with Marcion priority theory?

Here is another rub to the question of priority: from what point of the sediment are we starting from for our excavation? If we are looking at these texts like fossils, and concluding that those on top came after those below them, then we can brush our hands off and call it a day. But Marcion above ...