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by andrewcriddle
Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:03 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Early to mid 2nd c. works on Christianity missing from our forum's website
Replies: 51
Views: 30591

Re: Early to mid 2nd c. works on Christianity missing from our forum's website

When would you date the "Martyrdom of Ignatius"? I have seen dates ranging from the 2nd century AD to centuries later. The earliest manuscript that we have is from the 10th century, and the early writers don't clearly mention it, so it seems like a late document. Wikipedia refers to this text: Alth...
by andrewcriddle
Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:50 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Original Romans 1:21f
Replies: 11
Views: 1556

Re: The Original Romans 1:21f

Clement quotes the verses about sexual behaviour in the Instructor book 2 Impios “autem tradidit Deus,” ut air Apostolus, “in perturbationes ignominiæ: nam et feminæeorum mutaverunt naturalem usum in eum, qui est procter naturam: similiter autem et masculi eorum, relicto usu naturali, exarserunt in ...
by andrewcriddle
Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:37 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The authorship of the apocalypse of John.
Replies: 44
Views: 15589

Re: The authorship of the apocalypse of John.

I think we can safely rule out the possibility that the author thinks the time of prophecy is past: Daniel 12.4: 4 “But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the time of the end; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase.” Revelation 22.10: 10 And he says...
by andrewcriddle
Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:30 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The authorship of the apocalypse of John.
Replies: 44
Views: 15589

Re: The authorship of the apocalypse of John.

Here is a somewhat comprehensive list of Jewish and Christian apocalypses gleaned from M. R. James, The Apocryphal New Testament ; J. K. Elliott, The Apocryphal New Testament: A Collection of Apocryphal Christian Literature in an English Translation ; and R. H. Charles, Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha...
by andrewcriddle
Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A modern analogy to ancient Christian roots.
Replies: 19
Views: 9497

Re: A modern analogy to ancient Christian roots.

And while I figure it is referring to pagan practices, Barnabas 20 is at least addressed to Christians and warns against "murderers of children": But the way of darkness is crooked, and full of cursing; for it is the way of eternal death with punishment, in which way are the things that destroy the...
by andrewcriddle
Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The demiurge and not Herod (!) put the thorns and the robe on Jesus
Replies: 16
Views: 8050

Re: The demiurge and not Herod (!) put the thorns and the robe on Jesus

It is worth pointing out that this extract comes from the epistle of Ignatius to the Philippians, universally acknowledged to be spurious and usually dated to century IV or later ha, even the 4th century is truly ancient and those opinions are essentially guesses. so, can't contain earlier material...
by andrewcriddle
Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:47 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: More Proof Against Marcion was Rewritten More than Once
Replies: 13
Views: 7064

Re: More Proof Against Marcion was Rewritten More than Once

so you want you some Marcion, how about let the guy speak for himself? O wonder beyond wonders, rapture, power, and amazement is it, that one can say nothing at all about the gospel, nor even conceive of it, nor compare it with anything Quote apparently comes from a writer called Harnak from an old...
by andrewcriddle
Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:21 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A modern analogy to ancient Christian roots.
Replies: 19
Views: 9497

Re: A modern analogy to ancient Christian roots.

Pearse lists other sources besides (and in some cases possibly pre-dating) Epiphanius, at least regarding some orgy-type stuff (all of which can be clicked on and viewed if you go to the webpage). The sources, in chronological order, are: •The Pistis Sophia 147, 3rd c.? •The Second book of Jeu 43, ...
by andrewcriddle
Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:51 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A modern analogy to ancient Christian roots.
Replies: 19
Views: 9497

Re: A modern analogy to ancient Christian roots.

The movements, developments, and influences of various groups on and into other groups in both cases look similar to me, as well. In both cases, creative people inside the movement could draw upon inspirations from outside the movment. Early Christians, for example, could draw from pagan myths or f...
by andrewcriddle
Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:25 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Origen, the gospel of Thomas, and James the Just.
Replies: 6
Views: 4021

Re: Origen, the gospel of Thomas, and James the Just.

I think you are possibly misunderstanding Origen. I don't think he is claiming that all the apocryphal gospels he mentions are heretical in origin . Some clearly are regarded as written by heretics such as Basilides, but this does not seem to be true in all cases. I think Origen's point is that the...