Search found 13948 matches

by Giuseppe
Mon May 06, 2024 8:01 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Carrier - Goodacre conversation on the historicity of Jesus
Replies: 21
Views: 441

Re: Carrier - Goodacre conversation on the historicity of Jesus

JarekS wrote: Sun May 05, 2024 9:58 pm. It was created in the 19th century by William Benjamin Smith, Arthur Drews and Frederick Engels.
I have a great respect for W. B. Smith and Arthur Drews, and less for Engels and Bruno Bauer. Frankly the quality of the former can't be compared with the latter.
by Giuseppe
Mon May 06, 2024 7:57 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Carrier - Goodacre conversation on the historicity of Jesus
Replies: 21
Views: 441

Re: Carrier - Goodacre conversation on the historicity of Jesus

The greatest enemies are the internal enemies in your own camp. The external enemy is the reason for our ennoblement and glory. The enemy within is the cause of our shame. Terribly true. If it's such a terrible truth, why do you describe Marcion with the voice of his bitter enemies? my comment was ...
by Giuseppe
Mon May 06, 2024 7:33 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Couchoud's 'Is Marcion's Gospel One of the Synoptics?'
Replies: 43
Views: 6797

Re: Couchoud's 'Is Marcion's Gospel One of the Synoptics?'

You should look at Klinghardt more carefully: this a fallacy of the distinction without a real difference. What could be the " good gifts " sent by the Father, if not the " holy spirit " and its benefits? The my points remains all, i.e. that current versions of Canonical Luke ha...
by Giuseppe
Sun May 05, 2024 11:22 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Carrier - Goodacre conversation on the historicity of Jesus
Replies: 21
Views: 441

Re: Carrier - Goodacre conversation on the historicity of Jesus

Giuseppe wrote: Sun May 05, 2024 11:01 pm hence showing tolerance to the possibility that the historical Jesus existed. A tolerance that is prohibited by Carrier insofar the epistles are placed in the first century, before the 70 CE.
I would like to add: rightly so.
by Giuseppe
Sun May 05, 2024 11:03 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Carrier - Goodacre conversation on the historicity of Jesus
Replies: 21
Views: 441

Re: Carrier - Goodacre conversation on the historicity of Jesus

JarekS wrote: Sun May 05, 2024 9:58 pm The greatest enemies are the internal enemies in your own camp. The external enemy is the reason for our ennoblement and glory. The enemy within is the cause of our shame.
Terribly true.
by Giuseppe
Sun May 05, 2024 11:01 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Carrier - Goodacre conversation on the historicity of Jesus
Replies: 21
Views: 441

Re: Carrier - Goodacre conversation on the historicity of Jesus

I prefer the approach of the late pastor from the Old March, Hermann Detering, whom Carrier constantly criticizes in his last book , Detering argues for a pre-Christian cult of Jesus too. The problem, if you move the epistles in the second century, is that there is a total fifty-fifty between histo...
by Giuseppe
Sun May 05, 2024 9:07 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gospel muteness as evidence of anti-marcionism
Replies: 5
Views: 169

Re: Gospel muteness as evidence of anti-marcionism

To introduce "women" as witnesses of a crucial fact was equivalent to introduce blind and silent witnesses for that fact. An ant could have more authority. Mark is saying that not only ants witnessed the empty tomb, but they were even crushed en passant. Absolute silence about the fact is ...
by Giuseppe
Sun May 05, 2024 8:58 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Couchoud's 'Is Marcion's Gospel One of the Synoptics?'
Replies: 43
Views: 6797

Re: Couchoud's 'Is Marcion's Gospel One of the Synoptics?'

They occur in two manuscripts of Luke (from the 11th and 12th centuries), isn't that a strong clue that the request “Father, let thy holy Spirit come upon us and purify us" was introduced only later in Canonical Luke since the logical breaking with ' how much more will the heavenly Father give...
by Giuseppe
Sun May 05, 2024 2:46 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Peter Schäfer on the origin of the accusation against Jesus of being a Samaritan
Replies: 9
Views: 189

Re: Peter Schäfer on the origin of the accusation against Jesus of being a Samaritan

Apparently, even before John 8:48, the accusation of being a Samaritan impostor dates back to the oldest gospel, since in *Ev the Parable of the Good Samaritan and *Ev 9:51-56: 51 As the time approached for him to be taken up to heaven, Jesus resolutely set out for Jerusalem. 52 And he sent messenge...
by Giuseppe
Sun May 05, 2024 1:28 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Secret Mark and the Loisy's Argument from Queerness against the Marcionite incipit
Replies: 0
Views: 48

Secret Mark and the Loisy's Argument from Queerness against the Marcionite incipit

Loisy : In any case the descent from heaven to Capernaum is queer rather than impressive. If the Argument from Queerness has to be applied to prove that the Marcionite incipit has to be based on a previous Gospel, then accordingly the same Argument from Queerness has to be applied to prove that Mar...