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by Giuseppe
Fri May 17, 2024 8:25 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Bob Price, David Trobisch, RG Price and Roger Parvus's view about *Ev
Replies: 1
Views: 31

Re: Bob Price, David Trobisch, RG Price and Roger Parvus's view about *Ev

I understand now why Matthias Klinghardt and Markus Vinzent are reluctant to assume that all the Pauline letters ‘ortas esse in Cerdonis vel Marcionitarum scholis’ , which means: they had been written in Marcionite/Kerdo’s school and firstly collected by ‘schoolmaster’ Marcion: Klinghardt may not mo...
by Giuseppe
Fri May 17, 2024 8:13 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Bob Price, David Trobisch, RG Price and Roger Parvus's view about *Ev
Replies: 1
Views: 31

Bob Price, David Trobisch, RG Price and Roger Parvus's view about *Ev

Bob Price followed this model (I use the past 'followed' because recently he seems to be ready to change opinion): Marcion's Apostolikon ----> first (lost) gospel ---> Mark ---> *Ev --> others David Trobisch follows apparently this model: Marcion published *Ev + the Apostolikon ---> Mark ---> others...
by Giuseppe
Fri May 17, 2024 7:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: *Ev precedes Mark because Mark knew the Apostolikon
Replies: 8
Views: 242

Re: *Ev precedes Mark because Mark knew the Apostolikon

I see that Tertullian gives a clue about how Marcion interpreted the calming of the storm: But what manner of man is this? For He commands even the winds and water! Luke 8:25 Of course He is the new master and proprietor of the elements, now that the Creator is deposed, and excluded from their posse...
by Giuseppe
Fri May 17, 2024 7:02 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: *Ev precedes Mark because Mark knew the Apostolikon
Replies: 8
Views: 242

Re: *Ev precedes Mark because Mark knew the Apostolikon

Take for example the stilling of the storm. From BeDuhn's *Ev: Why don't you use Klinghardt's *Ev? If we acknowledge that the stilling of the storm is a scene based on Psalm 107 then we have several issues to contend with. Firstly, the scene in Mark is closer to Psalm 107 than the scene in Luke/*Ev...
by Giuseppe
Fri May 17, 2024 6:38 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does ransom theory indicate Jesus was heavenly?
Replies: 10
Views: 240

Re: Does ransom theory indicate Jesus was heavenly?

Marcion is thought to having insight into Paul, either as creator or earliest recogniser of Paul's letters, then Paul's use of "archontes" arguably refers to humans. as creator of pauline epistles you are right, but in the hypothesis of Marcion "earliest recognizer of Paul's letters&...
by Giuseppe
Fri May 17, 2024 1:25 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does ransom theory indicate Jesus was heavenly?
Replies: 10
Views: 240

Re: Does ransom theory indicate Jesus was heavenly?

Wells confutes your "if and only if" on Paul: Perhaps Doherty's strongest point is Paul's assertion (1 Cor.2:8) that Jesus was crucified by supernatural forces (the archontes ). I take this to mean that they prompted the action of human agents: but I must admit that the text ascribes the ...
by Giuseppe
Thu May 16, 2024 10:18 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark knew Paul the Persecutor therefore *Ev precedes Mark
Replies: 4
Views: 87

Re: Mark knew Paul the Persecutor therefore *Ev precedes Mark

The Gerasene demonic would be Paul and is found in both Mark and *Ev. How could he be there if Paul the Persecutor was a Catholic interpolation?

The only possible explanation is that the Gerasene demonic was associated with Paul only after that Paul the Persecutor was interpolated in Galatians 1.
by Giuseppe
Thu May 16, 2024 10:00 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark knew Paul the Persecutor therefore *Ev precedes Mark
Replies: 4
Views: 87

Re: Mark knew Paul the Persecutor therefore *Ev precedes Mark

Find the only difference: Mark 9:38-41 38 “Teacher,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.” 39 “Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, 40 for...
by Giuseppe
Thu May 16, 2024 9:52 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark knew Paul the Persecutor therefore *Ev precedes Mark
Replies: 4
Views: 87

Re: Mark knew Paul the Persecutor therefore *Ev precedes Mark

In *Ev, Jesus is defamed as "son of the carpenter" and persecuted bluntly by the people of Nazara, despite of the hearsay about what Jesus did in Capernaum. Mark preserves the defamation of Jesus in Nazareth but he removed the active persecution of Jesus by the people of Nazareth, and subt...
by Giuseppe
Wed May 15, 2024 9:44 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does ransom theory indicate Jesus was heavenly?
Replies: 10
Views: 240

Re: Does ransom theory indicate Jesus was heavenly?

On the analogy of the Ascension of Isaiah, the appearance of the form of a man would provide a lack of awareness if and only if that was the predominant form among those Jesus was among. An angel moving among angels, a man moving among men. This points towards a setting not only where a descent hap...