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by Giuseppe
Mon May 13, 2024 4:32 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What is the evidence that the Simonians used Mark and not *Ev?
Replies: 17
Views: 372

Re: What is the evidence that the Simonians used Mark and not *Ev?

I see that you have already answered here to my question, by claiming that the Basilidean proto-Mark didn't know the pauline/cerdonite epistles: Did Basilides know of Cerdo’s work on the Pauline letters? Not necessarily . The overlap may just be due to common material and family resemblance. Both Ba...
by Giuseppe
Mon May 13, 2024 4:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What is the evidence that the Simonians used Mark and not *Ev?
Replies: 17
Views: 372

Re: What is the evidence that the Simonians used Mark and not *Ev?

I think a Basilidean proto-Mark was earlier. My perplexity with your view is that you are saying that Basilides wrote the first gospel after that Cerdon had expanded the pauline epistles (by adding Satornilian materials) and before that Marcion published them (with *Ev and the antithesis). How coul...
by Giuseppe
Sun May 12, 2024 6:47 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Matthew 23:7 as evidence of the euhemerization of the evil archontes
Replies: 0
Views: 39

Matthew 23:7 as evidence of the euhemerization of the evil archontes

Matthew 23:7: they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called 'Rabbi' by others. Replace 'rabbi' with 'Kyrioi' and you have: they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called 'Kyrioi' by others. It is clear that the opposition is mythical in characte...
by Giuseppe
Sun May 12, 2024 12:20 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Three macroscopical errors by Alfred Loisy
Replies: 0
Views: 63

Three macroscopical errors by Alfred Loisy

In his Histoire et mythe à propos de Jésus-Christ , Alfred Loisy wanted to attack frontally Paul-Louis Couchoud because, in his own words: ...j'ai le droit, même le devoir, de dire mon mot sur un problème qui n'intéresse pas que le passé du christianisme mais l'avenir de la religion dans le monde. (...
by Giuseppe
Sat May 11, 2024 8:23 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Last nail on the Testimonium Flavianum. Again.
Replies: 5
Views: 219

Re: Last nail on the Testimonium Flavianum. Again.

What is more wrong in Allen and Bermejo-Rubio is the idea that the polemical target of the evangelists (or "their sources") were perennial enemies who knew embarrassing truths about the historical Jesus. The consensus is victim of a similar error, insofar it insists that the enemies of the...
by Giuseppe
Sat May 11, 2024 10:39 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What is the evidence that the Simonians used Mark and not *Ev?
Replies: 17
Views: 372

Re: What is the evidence that the Simonians used Mark and not *Ev?

And Cerdo too, I suspect, put together proto-Luke (from proto-Mark, gMatthew, and who-knows-what else.) Isn't it more logical, given your premises about how the pauline epistles evolved, that the first gospel was the same gospel in use among the first Christians who " padded out Paul’s bare-bo...
by Giuseppe
Sat May 11, 2024 5:36 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What is the evidence that the Simonians used Mark and not *Ev?
Replies: 17
Views: 372

Re: What is the evidence that the Simonians used Mark and not *Ev?

One may use the priority of *Ev over the Canonical Gospels to conclude that the Apostolikon is more faithful to the original version of the Pauline epistles than the canonical corpus. Or one may conclude, if he/she is already persuaded independently that the Apostolikon precedes the canonical corpus...
by Giuseppe
Sat May 11, 2024 1:20 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What is the evidence that the Simonians used Mark and not *Ev?
Replies: 17
Views: 372

Re: What is the evidence that the Simonians used Mark and not *Ev?

Look at Thomas is a naive euphemism to say: look at visions, revelations, dreams, hallucinations, etc. I am interested to the gospels. I think that the logical implication by Roger Parvus's view has to be the following chronology: short notes by Paul ---> wide Satornilian and Cerdonite interpolation...
by Giuseppe
Fri May 10, 2024 8:59 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Last nail on the Testimonium Flavianum. Again.
Replies: 5
Views: 219

Last nail on the Testimonium Flavianum. Again.

https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/27782 His approach resembles a creative reinterpretation of the Zapruder film in which rampaging apes must have been in frame and secretly removed because Kubrick liked them and Kubrick and Zapruder are both from the 1960s and the CIA can do things like that....
by Giuseppe
Fri May 10, 2024 8:12 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What is the evidence that the Simonians used Mark and not *Ev?
Replies: 17
Views: 372

Re: What is the evidence that the Simonians used Mark and not *Ev?

My vote for authorship of proto-Mark would go to Basilides. But for the interpolation of Paul’s letters (with Saturnilian materials) and the authorship of proto-Luke I would vote for Cerdo. Accordingly are you breaking the continuity between the interpolators of Paul's letters (with Saturnilian mat...