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by Secret Alias
Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:03 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives
Replies: 179
Views: 1576

Re: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives

Let's imagine this. My Greek friend Harry Tzalas told me he can't read the letter of authentication because it is a style of writing that isn't taught any more in Greece. I will cite the email. Let's give authenticity a chance. Let's suppose that there was a fragment of Clement lying around in the m...
by Secret Alias
Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:40 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives
Replies: 179
Views: 1576

Re: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives

Smith and Landau add something to the story: Flusser remembers that they did encounter one bump in the road. When the team of scholars attempted to leave with the book, “Abbot Seraphim,” an old friend of Smith who presided over Mar Saba, “raised hell,” demanding that “they would have to request it,...
by Secret Alias
Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:38 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Distinguishing some questions about the "Letter to Theodore"
Replies: 84
Views: 642

Re: Distinguishing some questions about the "Letter to Theodore"

Always fair Andrew. Love you to death. To answer Peter's question: Smith and Landau add something to the story: Flusser remembers that they did encounter one bump in the road. When the team of scholars attempted to leave with the book, “Abbot Seraphim,” an old friend of Smith who presided over Mar S...
by Secret Alias
Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:00 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Distinguishing some questions about the "Letter to Theodore"
Replies: 84
Views: 642

Re: Distinguishing some questions about the "Letter to Theodore"

A certificate of organic certification https://www.ams.usda.gov/services/organic-certification assumes certain things about the about the way produce was raised, doesn't it? They may not be listed on the certificate but they are assumed. A certificate of authenticity with respect to a manuscript fou...
by Secret Alias
Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:58 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Distinguishing some questions about the "Letter to Theodore"
Replies: 84
Views: 642

Re: Distinguishing some questions about the "Letter to Theodore"

So you won't answer the question of whether it is possible for the Patriarchate to have issued a certificate of authenticity without at least considering whether the book and the manuscript had been in the monastery before 1958.
by Secret Alias
Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:52 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Distinguishing some questions about the "Letter to Theodore"
Replies: 84
Views: 642

Re: Distinguishing some questions about the "Letter to Theodore"

There is no evidence the book was in Mar Saba before 1958. It does not appear in the books catalogs there-- as has been noted, repeatedly. Except for the fact that a certificate of authenticity was issued in 1976 and brought forward by Tselikas. Please outline a scenario where the Patriarchate coul...
by Secret Alias
Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:45 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Distinguishing some questions about the "Letter to Theodore"
Replies: 84
Views: 642

Re: Distinguishing some questions about the "Letter to Theodore"

I am very interested in hearing how the certificate of authenticity could have been issued in 1976 AND there was somehow a scenario where the authorities didn't suppose that the manuscript was in the library of Mar Saba before 1958. Please explain that scenario.
by Secret Alias
Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:42 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Distinguishing some questions about the "Letter to Theodore"
Replies: 84
Views: 642

Re: Distinguishing some questions about the "Letter to Theodore"

So again it is reasonable to suppose that: 1. Morton Smith claimed Seraphim as an "old friend" 2. the Patriarchate and the monastery bitterly fought over the transport of this battered book to the point and when they came to an agreement a certificate of authenticity acknowledging it as pr...
by Secret Alias
Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:31 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Distinguishing some questions about the "Letter to Theodore"
Replies: 84
Views: 642

Re: Distinguishing some questions about the "Letter to Theodore"

Your appeal to Ben C Smith is interesting because it suggests (a) that you are losing this debate and (b) that if Ben were here you might be able to appeal to his authority for victory. Appeals to authority are generally frowned upon at this forum. I can remember spin (another guy who left this foru...
by Secret Alias
Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:28 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Distinguishing some questions about the "Letter to Theodore"
Replies: 84
Views: 642

Re: Distinguishing some questions about the "Letter to Theodore"

And to take the example further. Seraphim and Kallistos had superior expertise with respect to Byzantine manuscripts. Better than most scholars. Tselikas has better knowledge than them. Tselikas has a catalogue of 100 books which lists clearly only some of the books that were in the monastic library...