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by Secret Alias
Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: There is No Actual REAL Evidence Marcion Ever Falsified Luke
Replies: 8
Views: 257

Re: There is No Actual REAL Evidence Marcion Ever Falsified Luke

All references to Luke in Book Four - 19 in total across 40+ chapters. Notice they are confined to one section of the treatise, four chapters in total i.e. 4.2, 4.3, 4.4 and 4.5. Doesn't that strike you as odd? By contrast Origen's Commentaries mention the names 'John' and 'Matthew' throughout. In s...
by Secret Alias
Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:59 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Justin Martyr, the Gospel of Luke, and Marcion.
Replies: 82
Views: 1870

Re: Justin Martyr, the Gospel of Luke, and Marcion.

Not everyone was allowed to say what they knew openly. Look at the oath of Justinus in the Philosophumena and that "modern fake" 'to Theodore.' But swear, says Justin, if you wish to know "what eye hath not seen, and ear hath not heard, and the things which have not entered into the heart;" that is,...
by Secret Alias
Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:55 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Papyrus 20915 - English Translation
Replies: 17
Views: 360

Re: Papyrus 20915 - English Translation

Gnosticism, which existed as a school even before Christianity appeared on the scene;
Comical. Like Judaism is separate from "gnosticism." You really have outdated nonsensical notions. Why aren't you as dead as your ideas?
by Secret Alias
Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:26 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: There is No Actual REAL Evidence Marcion Ever Falsified Luke
Replies: 8
Views: 257

Re: There is No Actual REAL Evidence Marcion Ever Falsified Luke

So here's the difficulty in Book Four of Against Marcion. 1. Canonical Luke has three chapters of information basically before Jesus 'comes down' to Capernaum. 2. The author of Against Marcion says he will show Marcion falsified 'his' (i.e. the author's) gospel. 3. Against Marcion ignores the fact t...
by Secret Alias
Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:00 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: There is No Actual REAL Evidence Marcion Ever Falsified Luke
Replies: 8
Views: 257

Re: There is No Actual REAL Evidence Marcion Ever Falsified Luke

Luke 1, 27 - 5 1 § 6 (p.664, l.7) BP1 Then, again, in Saul's conduct towards David, exhibited first in violent persecution of him, and then in remorse and reparation,27 on his receiving from him good for evil, we have nothing else than an anticipation28 of Paul in Saul----belonging, too, as they did...
by Secret Alias
Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:38 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: There is No Actual REAL Evidence Marcion Ever Falsified Luke
Replies: 8
Views: 257

Re: There is No Actual REAL Evidence Marcion Ever Falsified Luke

Interesting question. Here's what I notice from the list: Luke 1, 1 - 4 2 § 4 (p.548, l.27) BP1 Luke 1, 2 - 4 2 § 4 (p.548, l.27) BP1 But we prefer to join issue on every point; nor shall we leave unnoticed what may fairly be understood to be on our side. Now, of the authors whom we possess, Marcion...
by Secret Alias
Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:20 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Shapira NOT a Forgery
Replies: 9
Views: 975

Re: Shapira NOT a Forgery

I know. I am saying let's be clear - it would be a modern forgery of an ancient forgery. That's all I was saying.
by Secret Alias
Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:20 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: There is No Actual REAL Evidence Marcion Ever Falsified Luke
Replies: 8
Views: 257

Re: There is No Actual REAL Evidence Marcion Ever Falsified Luke

Holmes's edition finds only one Lukan reference in Against Marcion Book 4 before "in the 15th of Tiberias Jesus came down to Capernaum.' Another measure: Luke 1, 1 - 4 2 § 4 (p.548, l.27) BP1 Luke 1, 2 - 4 2 § 4 (p.548, l.27) BP1 Luke 1, 27 - 5 1 § 6 (p.664, l.7) BP1 Luke 1, 31 - 4 7 § 11 (p.555, l....
by Secret Alias
Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:56 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: There is No Actual REAL Evidence Marcion Ever Falsified Luke
Replies: 8
Views: 257

Re: There is No Actual REAL Evidence Marcion Ever Falsified Luke

Even though Marcion's gospel clearly does not reference most if not all the material before the middle of chapter 4 of Luke, the author of Against Marcion does not mention any of the material as excised or missing.
by Secret Alias
Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:06 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: There is No Actual REAL Evidence Marcion Ever Falsified Luke
Replies: 8
Views: 257

There is No Actual REAL Evidence Marcion Ever Falsified Luke

The claim that the Marcionite gospel was somehow developed from or related to Luke is one of the cornerstones of Patristic exegesis. Yet neither Irenaeus nor Tertullian provides any proof for this assertion and in fact a careful reading of Against Marcion reveals the exact opposite – namely that any...