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by Secret Alias
Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:55 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: a possibility so remote that it deserves a little reflection
Replies: 113
Views: 5313

Re: a possibility so remote that it deserves a little reflection

The evidence for Can the Rich Man be Saved is about the same as the letter to Theodore or letters of Clement generally - a single reference in Eusebius to their existences. If I remember correctly the MS of Can the Rich Man be Saved does not identify Clement as the author. Eusebius's mention of the ...
by Secret Alias
Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:15 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: a possibility so remote that it deserves a little reflection
Replies: 113
Views: 5313

Re: a possibility so remote that it deserves a little reflection

Stuart So you are saying that the Antitheses - a work which is presumed to exist by modern scholarship without a known manuscript - has clear and incontrovertible Patristic evidence for its existence? Please point to this evidence. I say the evidence isn't that clear. I say the Antitheses could have...
by Secret Alias
Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:14 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: a possibility so remote that it deserves a little reflection
Replies: 113
Views: 5313

Re: a possibility so remote that it deserves a little reflection

On the works that have survived as late manuscripts from single exemplars - https://books.google.com/books?id=U-YcBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA271&dq=%22sole+exemplar%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJzoDk1v_fAhWnIDQIHSYFBgEQ6AEIUTAG#v=onepage&q=%22sole%20exemplar%22&f=false I think the whole appendix from Kok is a reaso...
by Secret Alias
Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:27 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: a possibility so remote that it deserves a little reflection
Replies: 113
Views: 5313

Re: a possibility so remote that it deserves a little reflection

(Dubious) works that are commonly accepted to have existed in early Christianity for which we have no MS evidence: Marcion's gospel - No manuscript evidence is extant, so we begin with the attempted reconstruction of Harnack." https://books.google.com/books?id=enzhLjeKQ-wC&pg=PA175&dq=%22No+manuscri...
by Secret Alias
Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:40 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: a possibility so remote that it deserves a little reflection
Replies: 113
Views: 5313

Re: a possibility so remote that it deserves a little reflection

We can start with the lack of manuscript evidence as a second point. How many copies of a top secret CIA document or sensitive corporate internal report would you expect to have written? If the Eleusian mysteries had a "guide book" would you expect that text to have had mass distribution? You've go...
by Secret Alias
Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:26 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A Suggestion for Revising the Early Writings' Entry for Secret Mark
Replies: 63
Views: 1472

Re: A Suggestion for Revising the Early Writings' Entry for Secret Mark

https://www.jstor.org/stable/25652275?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents also https://books.google.com/books?id=U-YcBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA274&dq=%22criddle%27s+method+has+been+shown+to+only+correctly+identify%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiu8fDVhP7fAhW9HTQIHdhaCIwQ6AEIKjAA#v=onepage&q=%22criddle's%20method%20has%20bee...
by Secret Alias
Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:17 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A Suggestion for Revising the Early Writings' Entry for Secret Mark
Replies: 63
Views: 1472

Re: A Suggestion for Revising the Early Writings' Entry for Secret Mark

I've often felt - given the assault on the Mar Saba document at the height of the 'conservative' tide in the early 2000s - that critics have turned this into a popularity contest. You know - if you like Secret Mark press '1' if you don't like it press '2' text charges may apply. But is that what it ...
by Secret Alias
Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:03 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A Suggestion for Revising the Early Writings' Entry for Secret Mark
Replies: 63
Views: 1472

Re: A Suggestion for Revising the Early Writings' Entry for Secret Mark

When someone says "just like I was saying" and every previous point has been refuted and ridiculed by everyone else, you know they aren't going be swayed by the facts. You are promoting a faith-based argument. You aren't even pretending any more to be engaged in this conversation. There is no point ...
by Secret Alias
Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:19 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: a possibility so remote that it deserves a little reflection
Replies: 113
Views: 5313

Re: a possibility so remote that it deserves a little reflection

To recap, the variants of this story in the canonical four (where common features are listed): 1. Origen's citation of the Gospel of the Hebrews (supposedly proto-Matthew) - no mention of Lazarus strictly anti-riches parable/story 2. Marcion's gospel (unknown what it said) probably mentioned name La...