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by Secret Alias
Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:44 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On Epiphanius's Claim to Have Written the Pragmateia on Marcion's Canon
Replies: 3
Views: 50

Re: On Epiphanius's Claim to Have Written the Pragmateia on Marcion's Canon

So to repeat. Basil is acknowledged to have been one of Epiphanius's 'informants' for the Panarion. I argue the short letter came from Basil months before his death in 377 CE. The Panarion was published shortly thereafter with a massively expanded - thrice expanded - 'pragmateia.' Epiphanius decided...
by Secret Alias
Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:08 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On Epiphanius's Claim to Have Written the Pragmateia on Marcion's Canon
Replies: 3
Views: 50

Re: On Epiphanius's Claim to Have Written the Pragmateia on Marcion's Canon

Once you see that the letter betrays a Romans-first Marcionite canon everything falls into place. Epiphanius decides to change the letters citation: If every work is attested and established by two how has God granted me, by a dispensation, to put together here, as I said, a sheer total of testimoni...
by Secret Alias
Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:21 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On Epiphanius's Claim to Have Written the Pragmateia on Marcion's Canon
Replies: 3
Views: 50

Re: On Epiphanius's Claim to Have Written the Pragmateia on Marcion's Canon

This is the 'pragmateia' that Basil sent to Epiphanius. Basil died in 377 CE. The Panarion was completed 378 CE. As such it would have been one of the last things written by Basil. Basil was Epiphanius's informant on at least one other section of the Panarion universally acknowledged by scholars - t...
by Secret Alias
Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:11 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On Epiphanius's Claim to Have Written the Pragmateia on Marcion's Canon
Replies: 3
Views: 50

On Epiphanius's Claim to Have Written the Pragmateia on Marcion's Canon

I decided to tackle the question of whether or not Epiphanius wrote the Pragmateia appended to Panarion 42. Here is what I suggest the Pragmateia originally looked like: This is my < treatise >, prefaced in the foregoing selections from Marcion’s still preserved scripture. Anyone who examines its co...
by Secret Alias
Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 25
Views: 427

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

Of course I shouldn't have enjoyed praise at this forum for very long. But here is what I would say to that. Scholars pretend that the CONVENIENT grouping of four texts for us by Irenaeus is - to borrow from the OP - and example of 'natural variation.' That Mark, Matthew and Luke at least are repres...
by Secret Alias
Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:39 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 25
Views: 427

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

Epiphanius says he will cite a work on Marcion while dictating the main body of the Panarion to his secretary Anatolius c. 474 - 477. He doesn't have the work yet because he says - like Against Marcion - the order of Marcion's apostolic was Galatians first. He builds up the contents of the pragmatei...
by Secret Alias
Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:20 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 25
Views: 427

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

Epiphanius' text of Marcion may have been assimilated to canonical Luke. I really don't get the phrase 'Epiphanius's copy of the gospel.' That's like saying 'the time Jesus flew in Tatian's gospel' as if it were an assured fact. Epiphanius did not have a copy of Marcion's gospel. If you'd like to h...
by Secret Alias
Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:34 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 25
Views: 427

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

And also remember defining the Marcionite text as 'X' - in this case proto-Luke, a version of Luke, whatever - based on the testimony of pathological liars helps scholars BECAUSE THEY WANT TO LIMIT DISCUSSION down to knowable commodities. In other words, too bad so sad that Irenaeus said the gospel ...
by Secret Alias
Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:46 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 25
Views: 427

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

But I strongly suspect the Marcionite tradition WAS the original Roman tradition.
by Secret Alias
Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:21 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 25
Views: 427

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

But your not getting it. The Marcionites had only one apostle. No 'apostle Peter,' no 'apostle anyone else.' The guy we call Paul was the only apostle. The model is clearly Moses https://books.google.com/books?id=F5Y3AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA227&dq=samaritan+moses+apostle+of+god&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&s...