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by Secret Alias
Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:57 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: who invented the name Jesus?
Replies: 7
Views: 61

Re: who invented the name Jesus?

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What are you talking about?
by Secret Alias
Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:34 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is Papias's "Mark wasn't in the Correct Order" At the Heart of Against Marcion's Appeal to Ordo?
Replies: 6
Views: 67

Re: Is Papias's "Mark wasn't in the Correct Order" At the Heart of Against Marcion's Appeal to Ordo?

If this was originally at the beginning of the gospel and Against Marcion: I can now find out why Marcion's god remained all those long ages in hiding. He was waiting, I suspect, until he should learn all these things from the Creator. So he learned them, right down to the time of John, and then aft...
by Secret Alias
Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:52 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcionite agreements with Matthew against Luke?
Replies: 70
Views: 1095

Re: Marcionite agreements with Matthew against Luke?

The strongest argument for the Antitheses = Matthew 5: I come next to those customary judgements (ad ordinarias sententias eius) by which he builds up his own special doctrine (per quas proprietatem doctrinae suae inducit), what I may call the magisterial edict of Christ (but which the Marcionites a...
by Secret Alias
Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is Papias's "Mark wasn't in the Correct Order" At the Heart of Against Marcion's Appeal to Ordo?
Replies: 6
Views: 67

Re: Is Papias's "Mark wasn't in the Correct Order" At the Heart of Against Marcion's Appeal to Ordo?

I think I am developing a theory as to the development of canonical Luke. The things originally referenced in Against Marcion where the incorrect order of Mark was specifically referenced might have been reorganized into canonical Luke by Irenaeus knowing what Papias has originally written: The rest...
by Secret Alias
Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:14 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is Papias's "Mark wasn't in the Correct Order" At the Heart of Against Marcion's Appeal to Ordo?
Replies: 6
Views: 67

Re: Is Papias's "Mark wasn't in the Correct Order" At the Heart of Against Marcion's Appeal to Ordo?

Book 4.1 Every sentence, indeed the whole structure, arising from Marcion's impiety and profanity, I now challenge in terms of that gospel which he has by manipulation made his own. Besides that, to work up credence for it he has contrived a sort of dowry, a work entitled Antitheses because of its j...
by Secret Alias
Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:59 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is Papias's "Mark wasn't in the Correct Order" At the Heart of Against Marcion's Appeal to Ordo?
Replies: 6
Views: 67

Re: Is Papias's "Mark wasn't in the Correct Order" At the Heart of Against Marcion's Appeal to Ordo?

Continuing in Book Three we finally understand what 'order' means in Papias's criticism of Mark because the gospel of Mark is the gospel of Marcionites: Your god was too proud, I suppose, to copy our God's order (est imitari ordinem dei nostri), since he disapproved of him and thought he would soon ...
by Secret Alias
Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:45 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is Papias's "Mark wasn't in the Correct Order" At the Heart of Against Marcion's Appeal to Ordo?
Replies: 6
Views: 67

Re: Is Papias's "Mark wasn't in the Correct Order" At the Heart of Against Marcion's Appeal to Ordo?

It is at this point that the 'order' argument appears in Against Marcion. The Marcionites, according to Against Marcion, just have miracles without rooting in the prophets. This is 'not the correct ordering.' Correct ordering for the author would root the actions of Jesus in the predictions of the p...
by Secret Alias
Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:07 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: who invented the name Jesus?
Replies: 7
Views: 61

Re: who invented the name Jesus?

Yes. Thank you
by Secret Alias
Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:48 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: who invented the name Jesus?
Replies: 7
Views: 61

Re: who invented the name Jesus?

There is also IOU in Vatican 1899
by Secret Alias
Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:30 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcionite agreements with Matthew against Luke?
Replies: 70
Views: 1095

Re: Marcionite agreements with Matthew against Luke?

Hegemonius cites Manichaean arguments which sound "antithetical." Similar to the statements in Adamantius. By your standard of argumentation Hegemonius should also be used as a source for Marcion's Antitheses. The Clementine literature too. Not everyone who made antinomian arguments used Marcion's A...