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by Ben C. Smith
Fri May 24, 2019 10:36 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Judas Iscariot
Replies: 42
Views: 14233

Re: Judas Iscariot

I do not know whether it clarifies matters, further confuses them, or has no bearing upon them, but Christians were definitely called Galileans by the time of Julian the Apostate and may have been called Galileans earlier than that. ETA: Also possibly relevant are the testimonies of several church f...
by Ben C. Smith
Thu May 23, 2019 7:18 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Romans 9-11 & the temple's destruction
Replies: 73
Views: 3739

Re: Romans 9-11 & the temple's destruction

So I think Paul is just saying in Rom. 15 (and perhaps somewhat poetically) that he taught his Torah-free gospel (that he received from God and the heavenly Jesus) "from Jerusalem and as far round as Illyricum" and not that he had received his Torah-free gospel from Jewish Christian leaders in Jeru...
by Ben C. Smith
Thu May 23, 2019 11:14 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Romans 9-11 & the temple's destruction
Replies: 73
Views: 3739

Re: Romans 9-11 & the temple's destruction

So there’s no slam dunk --- it's interpretation and opinion. Oh, of course. I do not fault anybody for thinking that Romans 15 is spurious. There is actually textual evidence that suggest that some thing is up with it. Especially in the case of Romans with its messy textual history, I'm not really ...
by Ben C. Smith
Thu May 23, 2019 11:10 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Romans 9-11 & the temple's destruction
Replies: 73
Views: 3739

Re: Romans 9-11 & the temple's destruction

I think you failed to notice that I called specific attention to "same or similar language" (obedience, grace, longing to see you, prevented from visiting you, etc.) in these two sections, which motivates the comparison in the first place (in addition to Paul being concerned with the same essential...
by Ben C. Smith
Thu May 23, 2019 5:57 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Romans 9-11 & the temple's destruction
Replies: 73
Views: 3739

Re: Romans 9-11 & the temple's destruction

"I have written to you very boldly , but it was to remind you (sc. of what you already know)" is not the same Paul as "I have been called, set apart, and given authority from God to preach the gospel to all nations, including you." I agree; they are not the same. They are, in fact, apples and orang...
by Ben C. Smith
Wed May 22, 2019 8:10 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Romans 9-11 & the temple's destruction
Replies: 73
Views: 3739

Re: Romans 9-11 & the temple's destruction

theme Romans 1:1-15 Romans 15:14-24 Paul's self-description apostle, called and set apart minister, by God's grace attribute of Romans praised by Paul faith full goodness and knowledge authority claimed by Paul to call people to the obedience of faith to boast of what Christ works through him scope...
by Ben C. Smith
Wed May 22, 2019 7:55 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Romans 9-11 & the temple's destruction
Replies: 73
Views: 3739

Re: Romans 9-11 & the temple's destruction

A literary dependence between the two texts seems likely to me as well. But I don't see why your scenario is more likely. If Romans 15 is based on Acts, then naturally the forger would have depicted Paul as having no foreknowledge, but only apprehension, of what might happen. In Acts he does have f...
by Ben C. Smith
Wed May 22, 2019 3:07 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Romans 9-11 & the temple's destruction
Replies: 73
Views: 3739

Re: Romans 9-11 & the temple's destruction

There is no clear evidence that Paul instructed the Galatians to make a collection for the Jerusalemites. Only that Paul told the Corinthians that he was making a collection among the Galatians. .... Yes, it all centers on the Corinthians. .... There is no clear evidence that Paul instructed the Ma...
by Ben C. Smith
Wed May 22, 2019 11:46 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Romans 9-11 & the temple's destruction
Replies: 73
Views: 3739

Re: Romans 9-11 & the temple's destruction

Romans 15: 14 I myself am satisfied about you, my brethren, that you yourselves are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, and able to instruct one another. 15 But on some points I have written to you very boldly by way of reminder, because of the grace given me by God 16 to be a minister of ...
by Ben C. Smith
Tue May 21, 2019 8:53 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Romans 9-11 & the temple's destruction
Replies: 73
Views: 3739

Re: Romans 9-11 & the temple's destruction

There is an old thread http://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=168 about the textual history of Romans which may be of interest. From that thread: chapter 15 on internal evidence is clearly Pauline. Care to elaborate on this point? Romans 15:1-13 continues the argument of chapter 14. An ...