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by John2
Thu May 02, 2024 6:51 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 111
Views: 2697

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

There was already a "balance" in Christianity before Acts was written. Paul says the pillars (James, Peter and John) approved of his Gentile mission in Gal. 2:7-9: Acts was written by a later generation than Paul. There are echos of the fierce debates which Paul had with his opponents. Bu...
by John2
Thu May 02, 2024 2:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 111
Views: 2697

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

Recall, whoever compiled the final recension of the NT was trying to bring as many of the variant christianitys into the same communion. And the author of Luke-Acts clearly was trying to reconcile Petrine and Pauline Christianity. There was already a "balance" in Christianity before Acts ...
by John2
Thu May 02, 2024 10:43 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 111
Views: 2697

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

Here's a question for Randy. If Acts is anti-Marcion, why would it suggest (according to your reading) that Simon Magus (the guy that anti-Marcionites say was the root of Marcionism) was a good guy?
by John2
Thu May 02, 2024 10:21 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 111
Views: 2697

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

PS do you really believe Jesus is coming back? No. Then why do you say things like “when Jesus comes back he’s going to ….” It’s really confusing. I mean it as "according to the idea I discern in the NT and related writings." I don't believe in God or resurrection of the dead or the conce...
by John2
Wed May 01, 2024 6:41 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 111
Views: 2697

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

And when Jesus comes to earth on the clouds of heaven (in the form of the "son of man"), he's going to render some serious God-level judgement on people, according to my understanding of the NT. That’s because the real NT is the Evangelion and 10 letters of Paul. The rest is anti-marcioni...
by John2
Wed May 01, 2024 6:24 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 111
Views: 2697

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

RandyHelzerman wrote: Wed May 01, 2024 5:20 pm

PS do you really believe Jesus is coming back?

No.
by John2
Wed May 01, 2024 3:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 111
Views: 2697

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

Well, there is certainly precedence for a holy man and God ignoring someone's plea for forgiveness (Jer. 37:3: "Please pray to the Lord our God for us!"), and for the reasons I've given, it doesn't seem like much of a stretch to suppose that Josephus' Simon and Acts' Simon are the same pe...
by John2
Wed May 01, 2024 2:05 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 111
Views: 2697

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

If Marcion's "originality" depends on his connection with Simon (via Philip), from my point of view it looks like a bad connection, since both Peter and Josephus condemn him. If. If you assume that Simon's plea for forgiveness was just ignored by Peter, or by God. If. If you assume that S...
by John2
Wed May 01, 2024 11:11 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 111
Views: 2697

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

If Marcion's "originality" depends on his connection with Simon (via Philip), from my point of view it looks like a bad connection, since both Peter and Josephus condemn him. The way the idea looks to me is that this Simon was a bad influence on some high level people (Felix and Drusilla),...
by John2
Wed May 01, 2024 10:32 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 111
Views: 2697

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

Acts 24:24-26: 24After several days, Felix returned with his wife Drusilla, who was a Jewess. He sent for Paul and listened to him speak about faith in Christ Jesus . 25As Paul expounded on righteousness, self-control, and the coming judgment, Felix became frightened and said, “You may go for now. W...