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by Ken Olson
Sat Apr 20, 2024 6:52 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gospel priority
Replies: 101
Views: 3020

Re: Gospel priority

I don't think any of the evangelists that were later gathered into the four gospel canon meant for his work to be read alongside other gospels which had equal authority. I sometimes wonder about John vis-a-vis Mark, whether it was intended to be a John and Mark situation by the author of John. The ...
by Ken Olson
Sat Apr 20, 2024 6:20 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
Replies: 28
Views: 484

Re: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke

It's one thing for Marcion to say 'this was the original, that was an interpolation' when he does not know. It's another thing if Marcion originated the gospel text and wanted it to be accepted. In that case, transparency is unexpected. IMHO Marcion explicitly presented his Gospel text as a critica...
by Ken Olson
Wed Apr 17, 2024 11:01 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
Replies: 28
Views: 484

Re: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke

Alright, then I still tend to think Basilides is best explained as knowing Luke. 3) There is a third text in which Basilides appears to be commenting on the text of Luke, which is found in (Pseudo) Hippolytus, Refutation of All Heresies, given here with David Litwa’s translation: ὁπότε οὖν ἔδει ἀρθ...
by Ken Olson
Wed Apr 17, 2024 10:22 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
Replies: 28
Views: 484

Re: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke

Alright, then I still tend to think Basilides is best explained as knowing Luke. 3) There is a third text in which Basilides appears to be commenting on the text of Luke, which is found in (Pseudo) Hippolytus, Refutation of All Heresies, given here with David Litwa’s translation: ὁπότε οὖν ἔδει ἀρθ...
by Ken Olson
Tue Apr 16, 2024 2:31 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
Replies: 28
Views: 484

Re: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke

Secret Alias wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 2:14 pm What's the single most cited line in Marcionite literature?
Hint. It's not even from Luke.
Matthew 5:18.
May we have the citations, please?
by Ken Olson
Tue Apr 16, 2024 2:06 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
Replies: 28
Views: 484

Re: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke

There are a few possibilities: (1) No statement on this topic whatsoever goes back to the Antitheses. (2) A statement about Luke's gospel doesn't go back to the Antitheses. (3) A statement about Luke's gospel does go back to the Antitheses, but both Luke and the Gospel used by Marcion were too old ...
by Ken Olson
Mon Apr 15, 2024 11:32 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Are there Marcion-Johannine readings?
Replies: 3
Views: 83

Re: Are there Marcion-Johannine readings?

I have not found any yet. Thanks. No, me neither, but I've only just started looking. I posit that there is a literary relationship between John and the synoptics and that John knew and used all of then. I also think we have enough data to say there is a literary relationship between Luke and the E...
by Ken Olson
Mon Apr 15, 2024 7:40 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Are there Marcion-Johannine readings?
Replies: 3
Views: 83

Are there Marcion-Johannine readings?

Are there any known Marcion-Johannine readings? That is, readings attested for Marcion that he has in common with John alone among the canonical gospels?

Best,

Ken
by Ken Olson
Sun Apr 14, 2024 8:04 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 30
Views: 618

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

The argument is not that verse 4:15 is designed to explain completely the verse 4:14. The argument is that the explicit epitet of 'physician' requires an equally explicit exorcism story before the episode of Nazareth. It can't require an implicit hearsay about previous exorcisms, because even the n...
by Ken Olson
Sun Apr 14, 2024 7:33 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 30
Views: 618

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

Also, Jesus' claim that the people will doubtless say 'Physician, heal thyself" is a presupposition that there is something wrong with Jesus, which in all likelihood is that he is possessed by a spirit, which he is. Very easy confutation: verse 4:14-16 explains enough well the part ' heal hims...