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- Fri Mar 29, 2024 7:26 am
- Forum: Academic Discussion
- Topic: Logical errors in Christ Myth Theory
- Replies: 2
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Re: Logical errors in Christ Myth Theory
Why would these writers make Jesus a failed prophet? Surely if they were making it up they'd paint him in a good light? Just to be clear: I'm a minimalist, not a mythicist. I think there was probably a man named Jesus who was a sort of apocalyptic prophet who was put to death, but we do not know mu...
- Fri Mar 29, 2024 7:18 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: According to Irenaeus, who were the Gnostics?
- Replies: 19
- Views: 260
Re: According to Irenaeus, who were the Gnostics?
one problem is the gnostic texts in the NHL library fail to hat-tip Simon at all as their founder, and on the contrary some are seen to oppose him outright Yeah, don't worry, I also am not impressed with the legend regarding Simon. It's not the point of the OP. A more serious problem is Irenaeus cl...
- Fri Mar 29, 2024 5:38 am
- Forum: Academic Discussion
- Topic: Logical errors in Christ Myth Theory
- Replies: 2
- Views: 22
Re: Logical errors in Christ Myth Theory
The myth theory has Peter having a hallucination then bunch of others, and the invention of Jesus much later, pushed into late 1st C or early 2nd C. But Dr Richard Carrier correctly points out people lived 40ish years back then . Average life expectancy and how long individuals lived are two differ...
- Thu Mar 28, 2024 3:55 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Ian Mills's "external evidence" that Luke preceded Marcion
- Replies: 23
- Views: 472
Re: Ian Mills's "external evidence" that Luke preceded Marcion
If we accept also that canonical Luke knew and used Matthew, then that places all three synoptic gospels before c. 130 CE. It may be interesting to mention Papias also in this connection. Remarks about Papias generally place him in the reign of Trajan. Most of the references occur in a context that...
- Thu Mar 28, 2024 3:51 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Ian Mills's "external evidence" that Luke preceded Marcion
- Replies: 23
- Views: 472
Re: Ian Mills's "external evidence" that Luke preceded Marcion
also Klinghardt assumes that canonical Luke knew Matthew so I am not opposed to the idea. If we accept also that canonical Luke knew and used Matthew, then that places all three synoptic gospels before c. 130 CE. Not at all. If anything Matthew used Luke, and there is tons of evidence to support th...
- Thu Mar 28, 2024 9:26 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Ian Mills's "external evidence" that Luke preceded Marcion
- Replies: 23
- Views: 472
- Wed Mar 27, 2024 5:58 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Ian Mills's "external evidence" that Luke preceded Marcion
- Replies: 23
- Views: 472
Re: Ian Mills's "external evidence" that Luke preceded Marcion
Giuseppe is ready to accept that Basilides knew Luke as an obvious fact, but I am going to post the case for it here anyway. I'm also ready to accept this, and I'm curious where we can go with it. If we had solid dates for Basilides and for when he wrote the Exegetica and also for the reported even...
- Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:00 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Ian Mills's "external evidence" that Luke preceded Marcion
- Replies: 23
- Views: 472
Re: Ian Mills's "external evidence" that Luke preceded Marcion
Now, if the writer of Luke 1-2 is crafting a narrative for the purpose of countering the claims of docetists and the like, how do we know that the writer of this narrative has not also incorporated elements from Basilides? This writer is clearly appropriating ideas from other sources, which is evid...
- Wed Mar 27, 2024 5:39 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Ian Mills's "external evidence" that Luke preceded Marcion
- Replies: 23
- Views: 472
Re: Ian Mills's "external evidence" that Luke preceded Marcion
I don't find Mills' case convincing ... But he also cites this: This, [Basilides] says, is what was stated: “‘The Holy Spirit will come upon you’ – that which came from the Sonship through the boundary of the Spirit upon the Ogdoad and Hebdomad, unto Mary. ‘And the power of the Most High will overs...
- Wed Mar 27, 2024 12:04 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Ian Mills's "external evidence" that Luke preceded Marcion
- Replies: 23
- Views: 472
Re: Ian Mills's "external evidence" that Luke preceded Marcion
Andrew Gregory, The Reception of Luke and Acts in the Period Before Irenaeus: Looking for Luke in the Second Century, Mohr Siebeck, 2003; 77–80: 4.5.1 Hegemonius, Acts of Archelaus 67.1 The Acts of Archelaus is an account of a disputation between one Archelaus and the heresiarch Manes. The text is ...