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by Ken Olson
Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:05 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Justin Martyr, the Gospel of Luke, and Marcion.
Replies: 83
Views: 1894

Re: Justin Martyr, the Gospel of Luke, and Marcion.

Same here, though I seem to be less bothered specifically by his lack of naming the apostles in the Dialogue and especially in the Apologies than you are. (Please understand that none of this is an attempt to smuggle in the canonical four. I honestly do not know the exact state of Justin's gospel t...
by Ken Olson
Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:22 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A peculiar (and mathematical) argument for Lucan priority and Matthean posteriority.
Replies: 40
Views: 737

Re: A peculiar (and mathematical) argument for Lucan priority and Matthean posteriority.

@Ken Again, can you demonstrate that canonical Luke harmonized proto-Luke with Matthew in particular cases? Or distinguish between the contents of Proto-Luke and Canonical Luke? Yes, but I'm not going to go into extensive detail here. But you could if you wanted to? I'll explain the outline of it. ...
by Ken Olson
Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:55 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Justin Martyr, the Gospel of Luke, and Marcion.
Replies: 83
Views: 1894

Re: Justin Martyr, the Gospel of Luke, and Marcion.

It seems possible to me that the anonymity of Marcion's (and Valentinus') Gospel(s) was not so much a genuine problem for the likes of Justin and Tertullian as it was a weapon in their hands against their opponents. (The problem of an anonymous gospel text, after all, was fixed in a heartbeat simpl...
by Ken Olson
Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:49 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A peculiar (and mathematical) argument for Lucan priority and Matthean posteriority.
Replies: 40
Views: 737

Re: A peculiar (and mathematical) argument for Lucan priority and Matthean posteriority.

I'm a little late to this thread, but the approach to this whole issue never ceases to amaze me. To me the whole thing seems pretty obvious at this point. There was a proto-Luke. Matthew copied from proto-Luke. Canonical Luke is a harmonization of proto-Luke with Matthew. Can you demonstrate that? ...
by Ken Olson
Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:30 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Justin Martyr, the Gospel of Luke, and Marcion.
Replies: 83
Views: 1894

Re: Justin Martyr, the Gospel of Luke, and Marcion.

The answer to our question is, then, apparent: this particular expanded form of the reference to the memoirs here, calls our attention to the fact that what is quoted isn't found in every version of those memoirs. And if we went looking for them only in the memoirs of the apostles, such as Peter, w...
by Ken Olson
Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:39 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mulberry Trees and Mustard Seeds
Replies: 5
Views: 179

Re: Mulberry Trees and Mustard Seeds

Stuart,

Luke 17.6: ἐλέγετε ἂν τῇ συκαμίνῳ ταύτῃ ‘you could say to this sycamine’ (usually translated as ‘mulberry tree’)

It’s specifically the sycamine, which is native to Israel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sycamine

Best,

Ken
by Ken Olson
Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:31 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mulberry Trees and Mustard Seeds
Replies: 5
Views: 179

Re: Mulberry Trees and Mustard Seeds

Thanks, Ben. To draw out the implications of what I'm arguing here, it's not only that Matthew has an earlier form of the saying than Luke in in Matt 17.20/Luke 17.6 because the mulberry tree is likely to be Lukan redaction (i.e., Luke changing mountain to mulberry tree). It's also an argument that ...
by Ken Olson
Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:49 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Demonstrating Q (Quelle) was a document and "Luke" did not know gMatthew.
Replies: 9
Views: 319

Re: Demonstrating Q (Quelle) was a document and "Luke" did not know gMatthew.

Bernard Muller wrote: I know you are waiting for my final section  So here it is, and waiting for your critique: I thought you were going to cover the Mark-Q overlap passages (known on the Farrer theory as the triple tradition passages for which Luke followed Matthew rather than Mark as a source). N...
by Ken Olson
Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:54 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mulberry Trees and Mustard Seeds
Replies: 5
Views: 179

Mulberry Trees and Mustard Seeds

This post is taken from a short series of posts I made on another list, and in it I am arguing against the view that the striking image of a mulberry tree being thrown into the sea in Luke 17.6 (which some scholars take to have come from Q) is not Lukan redaction, but a more primitive form of the sa...
by Ken Olson
Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:13 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A peculiar (and mathematical) argument for Lucan priority and Matthean posteriority.
Replies: 40
Views: 737

Re: A peculiar (and mathematical) argument for Lucan priority and Matthean posteriority.

Ben and Peter, Are your models examining the question of how likely it is that *all* of Luke's five blocks could be in the same order as their counterparts in Matthew by random chance? What if we could show that there was a good reason to put two (or even three) in that order, and only two or three ...