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- Tue Oct 03, 2023 10:21 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The opening of Mark really Marcion's?
- Replies: 117
- Views: 82632
Re: The opening of Mark really Marcion's?
A nice example of a modern version of scholasticism here.
- Thu Sep 21, 2023 11:30 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Paul Needed to be a Persecutor
- Replies: 9
- Views: 1755
Re: Paul Needed to be a Persecutor
I have found myself agreeing with Clabeaux a lot. My conclusion is that the Marcionite text of Paul represents a stage of the letters at a point of time where revisions from many sects had been made, but the major Lukan redaction had not yet occurred. I think we can safely conclude that these texts...
- Wed Sep 20, 2023 4:45 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Paul Needed to be a Persecutor
- Replies: 9
- Views: 1755
Re: Paul Needed to be a Persecutor
I have found myself agreeing with Clabeaux a lot. My conclusion is that the Marcionite text of Paul represents a stage of the letters at a point of time where revisions from many sects had been made, but the major Lukan redaction had not yet occurred. They were simply in the state at the time the Ma...
- Tue Sep 19, 2023 3:40 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Interpreting Galatians 1:13-17 (3 possible readings)
- Replies: 34
- Views: 22452
Re: Interpreting Galatians 1:13-17 (3 possible readings)
But what is the basis for not including those verses? On multiple grounds. The first of which is that the verses are not attested in the Marcionite text, nor alluded to in the anti-Marcionite writings as a point of engagement with the Marcionites; whether it was there or not, it was probably a noth...
- Fri Sep 15, 2023 1:47 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Interpreting Galatians 1:13-17 (3 possible readings)
- Replies: 34
- Views: 22452
Re: Interpreting Galatians 1:13-17 (3 possible readings)
Actually in several Marcionite reconstructions, including Detering and also my own, verses 1:13-14 are not part of the reconstruction. My interlinear reads like this: Πρὸς Γαλατας To the Galatians 1:1 Παῦλος ἀπόστολος οὐκ ἀπ᾽ ἀνθρώπων οὐδὲ δι᾽ ἀνθρώπου Paul an Apostle not from men nor through man ἀλ...
- Fri Sep 01, 2023 2:32 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Key Points in Tertullian's On Going Use of Luke Against Marcion
- Replies: 36
- Views: 16800
Re: Key Points in Tertullian's On Going Use of Luke Against Marcion
"When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as he was praying, heaven was opened and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.” Baptismal scenes are absent from ...
- Wed Aug 30, 2023 1:44 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Key Points in Tertullian's On Going Use of Luke Against Marcion
- Replies: 36
- Views: 16800
Re: Key Points in Tertullian's On Going Use of Luke Against Marcion
I think you are finally catching on, not just to Marcionism, but Gnostic opinions. The Catholic/Orthodox presentation claims multiple high gods by their opponents, but in reality the division was over the properties of the high god. The Catholics gave the properties of creation and Jewish law giving...
- Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:00 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Does the writing of a gospel count as an anti-Roman action?
- Replies: 27
- Views: 1977
Re: Does the writing of a gospel count as an anti-Roman action?
I'm not clear what these words mean: "... first thrown out is that the concept of the Law requiring sin-free officials to be carried out,...." Perhaps rephrase? Everyone knows PRC officials are corrupt. The CCP does not want that to be an impediment in any way to their executing the law a...
- Wed Jul 19, 2023 9:10 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Markus Vinzent's answer to Chris Albert Wells
- Replies: 9
- Views: 891
Re: Markus Vinzent's answer to Chris Albert Wells
The claim that Paul is not mentioned before the mid 2nd century requires late dates for both Clement to the Corinthians and the letters of Ignatius. (Also it is probable that Basilides was acquainted with Paul's letters.) Andrew Criddle Yes, and also for Irenaeus. I think nearly everything is shift...
- Tue Jul 18, 2023 12:41 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Does the writing of a gospel count as an anti-Roman action?
- Replies: 27
- Views: 1977
Re: Does the writing of a gospel count as an anti-Roman action?
Every cult in Rome claimed it was the true one and others worshipped false or lesser gods and their prayers would not be heard. Christianity and Judaism were no different. There is a lot of evidence from the Decia persecution era documents and also Diocletian, that Christians and Pagans lived next d...