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by Ulan
Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:21 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 91
Views: 14481

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

You and I may agree that Mark 16:8 was the source of Matthew 28:8 and the Greek text shows to what extent Matthew used Mark's text. In some formal sense we could say that Matthew 28:8 incorporates Mark 16:8. But I doubt that a reader or hearer of the 2nd century would agree with us. It is not only ...
by Ulan
Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:49 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 91
Views: 14481

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

@Secret Alias: The symmetry is certainly embellished. I don't think gMatthew had anything to do with heretics. Those claims were just added to not single out the actual target(s) too much. The situation with gMark is a bit more complicated. There is still the possibility that it was the text of some...
by Ulan
Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:49 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 91
Views: 14481

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

94% is nearly the complete gMark. It gets even clearer when you look at what gMatthew left out, like the one parable in Mark that nobody seems to know of what it is supposed to mean, including Matthew it looks like. Matthew also left out (A) the exorcism of the Capernaum demoniac and (B) the healin...
by Ulan
Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:45 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 91
Views: 14481

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

The way Matthew and Luke 'agree' with Mark was part of a broader pattern of the totality - the fourfold gospel - outlawing other readings, other agreements, other gospels. Does anyone disagree with this? It's ridiculous that this isn't THE FIRST THING said about the canonical gospels. Well, yes, ma...
by Ulan
Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:57 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 91
Views: 14481

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

Mmh, maybe it's just a question of our pov's. My impression from GMatthew is – under the assumption of Marcan priority - that even „Matthew“ (author) did not want to write a new version, which replaces the old GMark, but an separate gospel, which in his opinion was more appropriate as a Christian g...
by Ulan
Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:18 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 91
Views: 14481

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

Meh, let's not get into this kind of thinking. I'm also German, and even worse, I'm a scientist (natural sciences). Which means that dismissing anything I don't have any hard evidence for comes very natural to me. We are dealing with the question of what to do with the evidence in a situation where ...
by Ulan
Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:18 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 91
Views: 14481

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

Particularly Matthew contains 94% of gMark, often almost verbatim. That's one of the reasons why gMark was often considered to be a superfluous addition to the Bible. Luke still contains 79% of gMark. Or, in other words, these are indeed just edits of the same text. I have often seen it either igno...
by Ulan
Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:34 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 91
Views: 14481

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

The synoptic gospels alone are proof for constant meddling with the text, including redactional changes to make them fit the view of the author(s) and editor(s). I agree, but this „meddling“ happened in different texts (Stephan’s three birds) and not in different editions of one text. I fail to see...
by Ulan
Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:13 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 91
Views: 14481

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

And also remember defining the Marcionite text as 'X' - in this case proto-Luke, a version of Luke, whatever - based on the testimony of pathological liars helps scholars BECAUSE THEY WANT TO LIMIT DISCUSSION down to knowable commodities. In other words, too bad so sad that Irenaeus said the gospel...
by Ulan
Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 91
Views: 14481

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

And also remember defining the Marcionite text as 'X' - in this case proto-Luke, a version of Luke, whatever - based on the testimony of pathological liars helps scholars BECAUSE THEY WANT TO LIMIT DISCUSSION down to knowable commodities. In other words, too bad so sad that Irenaeus said the gospel...