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by Thor
Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:26 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Shameless Plug: History Valley: Did Josephus mention Jesus? Ken Olson vs James Valliant
Replies: 92
Views: 10383

Re: Shameless Plug: History Valley: Did Josephus mention Jesus? Ken Olson vs James Valliant

I can`t even imagine Josephus works was intended for the educated elite from Rome or Greece. You would need faith to read about some unknown people being the center of ALL things important from the beginning of existence, and not find it amusing. But I am no scholar ;) But I wonder still, about pass...
by Thor
Fri Jul 15, 2022 8:52 am
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Plato’s Timaeus and the Biblical Creation Accounts [Gmirkin]
Replies: 220
Views: 36265

Re: Plato’s Timaeus and the Biblical Creation Accounts [Gmirkin]

Plato in Timaeus explains the metaphysics/origin of the universe and the soul. Right or wrong this was the blue print that most religious/philosophical leaders patterned their view of heaven on. Judaism/Christianity were no exceptions for they were both under the influence of Greek culture. For tho...
by Thor
Sun Jul 10, 2022 12:50 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “Hosanna in the highest heaven!”: a reference to the crucifixion in outer space?
Replies: 23
Views: 2468

Re: “Hosanna in the highest heaven!”: a reference to the crucifixion in outer space?

Yes, I hoped so, no problem with that. Still, with that out of the way, it doesn't explain your persistent conflation with heaven and an outer space crucifixion of Jesus. It is as if your searching for a way to invalidate the historical and human Jesus. It simply doesn't work. Especially if you tak...
by Thor
Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:54 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Plato’s Timaeus and the Biblical Creation Accounts [Gmirkin]
Replies: 220
Views: 36265

Re: Plato’s Timaeus and the Biblical Creation Accounts [Gmirkin]

...because he considered that nothing of a human shape was applicable to God; but that heaven, which surrounds the earth, was the only God
:facepalm:
by Thor
Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:41 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: So what really happened at that so-called “first Christmas”?
Replies: 24
Views: 3326

Re: So what really happened at that so-called “first Christmas”?

The cave was evidence of prophecy fulfilled. The mythology have been chiseled away over time to the point of non-believers believe the story is some historical account. The "Cave" theme in mythology and religious practice have been with us since the dawn of man. excerpt from Dialogue c. Tr...
by Thor
Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:18 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: So what really happened at that so-called “first Christmas”?
Replies: 24
Views: 3326

Re: So what really happened at that so-called “first Christmas”?

Therefore it seems more likely to me that he first had the literary idea of placing baby Jesus in a manger as a sign for the shepherds and only then he came up with a plausible explanation for this unusual treatment of the baby. To me it seems like two scenes. You have the birth, and then you have ...
by Thor
Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:13 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: So what really happened at that so-called “first Christmas”?
Replies: 24
Views: 3326

Re: So what really happened at that so-called “first Christmas”?

Origen even says cave to Celsus. There are implications of saying your savior (God) was born in a cave to a Greek opponent of Christianity. And yet, it seems like it was generally accepted. So they built a church on top of it. From: The Accommodations of Joseph and Mary in Bethlehem: Κατάλυμα in Luk...
by Thor
Thu Jun 23, 2022 3:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: So what really happened at that so-called “first Christmas”?
Replies: 24
Views: 3326

Re: So what really happened at that so-called “first Christmas”?

Thank you. I read it but still confused. Translation is beyond my knowledge. I only notice he uses historical context to support it. Making me believe he regards Luke as a historical account. The Article went like this: What history really tells us about the birth of Jesus I might be about to ruin y...
by Thor
Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:06 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: So what really happened at that so-called “first Christmas”?
Replies: 24
Views: 3326

Re: So what really happened at that so-called “first Christmas”?

I did not even know George was dead. I only remember the 80`s George, so never saw him fade. Now I know I miss things.
by Thor
Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:11 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: So what really happened at that so-called “first Christmas”?
Replies: 24
Views: 3326

Re: So what really happened at that so-called “first Christmas”?

Lol. You got me humming on that song at least. Perhaps it is me. For some reason smug pop trash articles still annoys me.