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by Peter Kirby
Fri May 03, 2024 6:22 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: War and Peace
Replies: 2
Views: 95

Re: War and Peace

JarekS wrote: Thu May 02, 2024 6:59 pm There are no manuscripts on Hurtado's list that we can attribute to Marcion.
P69, also known as P. Oxy. 2383, is sometimes viewed as part of a copy of Marcion's text.

This can't be proven either way.
by Peter Kirby
Thu May 02, 2024 9:28 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Facebook group dedicated to old Greek handwriting
Replies: 1
Views: 65

Re: Facebook group dedicated to old Greek handwriting

Since you're interested in this stuff, Randy... in Smith and Landau, p. 112, they cite Dr. Panagiotis Agapitos, who referred to the "fluid, cursive style of private hands" and clarified that it is not the kind of writing seen in the setting of professional copying of manuscripts by hand. D...
by Peter Kirby
Wed May 01, 2024 10:01 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 113
Views: 2762

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

PS do you really believe Jesus is coming back? No. Then why do you say things like “when Jesus comes back he’s going to ….” It’s really confusing. Maybe because you said "The new God which Jesus taught us about loves and accepts everyone"[*]? John2 basically just gave you Tertullian's ref...
by Peter Kirby
Wed May 01, 2024 12:24 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?
Replies: 128
Views: 18262

Re: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?

Randy: I have also noticed a grid of dots in the bitmap image that I am unable to see in The Fourth R pdf, which I have also shared with you and Ken. I don't know when and how it was introduced, but I agree that it's not original.
by Peter Kirby
Wed May 01, 2024 9:49 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?
Replies: 128
Views: 18262

Re: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?

I just want to cite Paananen and Viklund again because it seems they also think it's a sigma Yes, that's what they wrote. I like Panaanen and Viklund, and they made some good points, which I have quoted. If nothing else, however, this thread justifies moving beyond just citing this claim. Viklund o...
by Peter Kirby
Tue Apr 30, 2024 3:54 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?
Replies: 128
Views: 18262

Re: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?

If I knew nothing else about The Letter to Theodore and you had sent me images of the three pages and asked me what the word in dispute on III 18 is, I would almost certainly have said it was γυμνοί with a final Iota because one of basic rules of Greek is that accents go over vowels. That's the qui...
by Peter Kirby
Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:08 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?
Replies: 128
Views: 18262

Re: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?

I have heard from a couple experts here myself. They have noted (a) that the character here starts out going southeast/northwest [atypical for sigma], (b) that the stroke is unbroken [not observed in sigmas], and (c) that the accent placed directly over the character is indicative in this case. A f...
by Peter Kirby
Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:45 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?
Replies: 128
Views: 18262

Re: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?

But if you want a true apples-to-apples comparison, you can send me a higher quality version. For the purpose of apples-to-apples comparison, I have sent you a Google drive link with the (circa 300MB each) bitmap files of all three pages. I have additionally sent the same invitation link to Ken Ols...
by Peter Kirby
Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:21 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Invention of Macrina the Younger?
Replies: 17
Views: 393

Re: Invention of Macrina the Younger?

It seems prima-facie improbable that Gregory Nazianzen and Gregory of Nyssa should collaborate on the invention of a fictional Macrina the supposed sister of Basil and Gregory of Nyssa. It may well be that much of what Gregory of Nyssa says about his sister is hagiography not history but that is an...