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by Peter Kirby
Thu Mar 28, 2024 6:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: According to Irenaeus, who were the Gnostics?
Replies: 14
Views: 188

Re: According to Irenaeus, who were the Gnostics?

In book 2, Irenaeus has a reference re: "these same arguments will apply against the followers of Saturninus, Basilides, Carpocrates, and the rest of the Gnostics." This might seem to imply that Saturninus, Basilides, and Carpocrates were gnostics. Birger A. Pearson makes reference to Boo...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 46
Views: 306

Re: History trumps Theology

That's funny because you've been posting these slogans for years and now declare a discussion of what they mean or imply "boring."
by Peter Kirby
Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:11 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 46
Views: 306

Re: History trumps Theology

It means what it says. History and theology are not equal methods for the task of understanding the past. Can you provide an example of a time when someone on the forum employed a "method" of "theology" for "understanding the past"? I'm stating a fundamental principle ...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 46
Views: 306

Re: History trumps Theology

That history trumps theology is surely a fundamental approach to intellectual deliberations. What does the slogan mean? It means what it says. History and theology are not equal methods for the task of understanding the past. Can you provide an example of a time when someone on the forum employed a...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Mar 28, 2024 4:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 46
Views: 306

Re: History trumps Theology

That history trumps theology is surely a fundamental approach to intellectual deliberations. What does the slogan mean? It means what it says. History and theology are not equal methods for the task of understanding the past. Can you provide an example of a time when someone on the forum employed a...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Mar 28, 2024 4:22 pm
Forum: Other Texts and History
Topic: Can we have an AI Translator Thread?
Replies: 2
Views: 22

Re: Can we have an AI Translator Thread?

I can recommend ChatGPT, and I haven't found anything comparable yet.

The only improvement I've found is "more ChatGPT" (e.g. breaking up the input at different parts of the Greek, starting a new conversation, etc.).
by Peter Kirby
Thu Mar 28, 2024 4:15 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 46
Views: 306

Re: History trumps Theology

maryhelena wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 4:14 pm That history trumps theology is surely a fundamental approach to intellectual deliberations.
What does the slogan mean?
by Peter Kirby
Thu Mar 28, 2024 4:01 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ian Mills's "external evidence" that Luke preceded Marcion
Replies: 23
Views: 437

Re: Ian Mills's "external evidence" that Luke preceded Marcion

When a data point is an outlier, its just that, an outlier and highly suspect. It is not actually a given that so-called "outlier" data is to be discarded or is "highly suspect." This is a common (and vulgar) misconception. Its popularity in the kind of folklore of how to handle...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Mar 28, 2024 2:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 46
Views: 306

Re: History trumps Theology

If we found that every single idea whatsoever was of equal merit, that would be a very sad day indeed.

But, no, I don't buy it.

And if I did, I wouldn't see much point in pure speculation either.
by Peter Kirby
Thu Mar 28, 2024 1:13 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 46
Views: 306

Re: History trumps Theology

Why do you even bother to post if you cannot hope to convince anyone because you have no kind of basis for the theory whatsoever?