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by Peter Kirby
Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:44 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Clement Dated Luke to the Middle of the Second Century
Replies: 17
Views: 376

Re: Clement Dated Luke to the Middle of the Second Century

Secret Alias wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:45 am
Another curiosity that has to be explained - why so many heretics or 'bad guys' from the Pauline letters end up having the same name as 'heretics' or 'bad guys' from the second century.
Could we make a list of the corresponding names? I'm curious.
by Peter Kirby
Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:03 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Clement Dated Luke to the Middle of the Second Century
Replies: 17
Views: 376

Re: Clement Dated Luke to the Middle of the Second Century

Secret Alias wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:26 am
I don't think so after more reading. I think the work was set in the first century.
Don't bury the lede... tell us more.
by Peter Kirby
Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:17 pm
Forum: Other Texts and History
Topic: Jordan Peterson
Replies: 7
Views: 1102

Re: Jordan Peterson

I share your reservations and hope it can stay on topic. I was sympathetic to his depiction of the somewhat adrift individual, in the absence of religion, grasping on to one or another vessel for a religion substitute which, while not so directly conflicting with the known facts of science as someth...
by Peter Kirby
Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:51 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What can we say about the Ophites?
Replies: 30
Views: 2253

Re: What can we say about the Ophites?

Giuseppe wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:14 am
the historical existence of the sect of the Ophites
To be clear, I don't intend that discussion ends if a 'sect of the Ophites' didn't exist. There's still plenty to be said if that were true.
by Peter Kirby
Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:52 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What can we say about the Ophites?
Replies: 30
Views: 2253

Re: What can we say about the Ophites?

Secret Alias wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:19 am
The sect never existed. Made up Church Father nonsense and lies.
Okay. It's not a bad idea. Made up why? Why this nonsense?
by Peter Kirby
Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:43 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What can we say about the Ophites?
Replies: 30
Views: 2253

What can we say about the Ophites?

Pertinent to the title question, let's kick this off with some (but not all) relevant quotes. http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/ophite.html Celsus' Description of the Ophite Diagrams (according to Origen) [Short excerpts of text from Origen Contra Celsus Book 6, Chapter 24 to 38:] Celsus sa...
by Peter Kirby
Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:01 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Found Evidence of Christians Who Were Mythicists (even in historicist times!)
Replies: 13
Views: 1957

Re: Found Evidence of Christians Who Were Mythicists (even in historicist times!)

Yeah. Jesus was a fucking asshole. An ancient Donald Trump. The ancient logic would follow more from the idea that Jesus was only a husk of a man, a completely unremarkable carpenter, whom the spirit of Christ possessed. This spirit was responsible for all the goodness and wisdom, so it is safe to ...
by Peter Kirby
Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:29 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Found Evidence of Christians Who Were Mythicists (even in historicist times!)
Replies: 13
Views: 1957

Re: Found Evidence of Christians Who Were Mythicists (even in historicist times!)

I guess someone has to say it... A simple alternative involves cursing Jesus as someone neither wise nor of good character.

Not saying I prefer it. I am interested in all the alternatives here.
by Peter Kirby
Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:08 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Concept of "Authentic Pauline Epistles"
Replies: 7
Views: 1317

Re: The Concept of "Authentic Pauline Epistles"

There is no record of scholarly doubt concerning authorship until the 19th century [Peter Kirby's comment about Erasmus notwithstanding] What I said: Not the oldest origin (e.g. Erasmus doubted the authenticity of some of the letters of Paul), but the general "awareness" of the intellectual public ...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:28 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Concept of "Authentic Pauline Epistles"
Replies: 7
Views: 1317

Re: The Concept of "Authentic Pauline Epistles"

When did the concept of "Authentic Pauline Epistles" originate, and with whom? Has a book been written on this question? Not the oldest origin (e.g. Erasmus doubted the authenticity of some of the letters of Paul), but the general "awareness" of the intellectual public regarding biblical criticism ...