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StephenGoranson wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:32 am We agree (I guess) that he could well have meant, in effect, cited from an older text in a later publication.
Why I said that was "probably" mistaken is because he, and many others, for many years, have looked and found no such thing.

What is "no such thing"?

StephenGoranson wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:27 am I agree that the putatively-remembered publication was not dated--but I did not say that it was!
Merely, that it (of any date!) would probably have been brought forward by now.

Why do you immediately jump to that instead of wondering if there was some publication?

If such a 16th- or 17th-century mention in a publication existed, probably someone would have noticed it by now. The Voss book was published in 1646, so any 16th-century (1500s) text could not have been about that volume. You seem to be misreading the quote in two ways: He remembers someone noting ...

Secret Alias wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 7:11 am He remembers someone noting in some [monastic] publication that some did report seeing this in the 16th ? 17th ? century

Can anything more on this point be found?

ICG 1253, Phrygia, ca. 200-350 note: "Dating according to Tabbernee: ca. 275-310" Εὐτύχης Αμμιᾳ νύν- φῃ κ̳ὲ̳ Τατιᾳ ἐγγόνῃ κ̳ὲ̳ Μα- κεδὼν υἱῷ ἑαυτοῦ κ̳ὲ̳ τῇ ἑαυτοῦ συμβίῳ Αμμι- 5 ᾳ κ̳ὲ̳ Εὐτύχης υἱὸς αὐτ- ῶν ζῶντες ἐπ[οί]ησαν Χριστια[νοὶ Χριστι]ανοῖς. Eutyches for Ammia, his daughter-in-law,...

I kinda don't get it. Hanging around at creation but not the Son? An angel perhaps, given a promotion? I think Ehrman believes something along those lines, though I haven't looked into that. The "sending his Son" language (Rom 8:3, Gal 4:4) may suggest otherwise. I also tend to discount p...

GakuseiDon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 10:35 pm According to Paul, Jesus became Son of God at the resurrection. Christians can inherit the mantle via adoption. That would be true whether Jesus was pre-existent or not.

I kinda don't get it. Hanging around at creation but not the Son?

Were the Marcionites the keepers of the original Christian faith? (1) Was their faith represented by the original Pauline epistles? If so, where did the author of the original Pauline epistles get his ideas from? Are you referring to the Marcionite versions of the Pauline gospels? or, Are you refer...

ICG 1286, Phrygia, ca. 200-400 note: "Dating according to Tabbernee: 250-275. According to MAMA: 3rd century" https://icg.uni-kiel.de/icg/ICG_webapp/inscription/show/1286 Μηνόφιλος καὶ ἡ̳ ̳γ̳υν̳ὴ̳ α̣ὐτοῦ Αμ̳μ̳ια Παιθῳ ἀ- δελφῷ Χρειστι- 5 ανῷ κ̳ὲ̳ Ἀλεξαν- δρία Παιθῳ ἀν- δρὶ κ̳ὲ̳ τὰ παιδία α...

ICG 1285, Phrygia, ca. 200-400

note: "Dating according to Tabbernee: 250-275."

https://icg.uni-kiel.de/icg/ICG_webapp/ ... /show/1285

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