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Andrew, what things led you to this position? Ken, same question for you? I would appreciate any insight you could offer. I think that the most plausible reason for the unusual emphasis that Marcion put on Paul is that Paul's writings taught of the threat of Judaizers corrupting the Gospel. This th...

And somehow only Marcionites ever considered the idea that humans are sinful, so it relates to Marcionism... that is indeed the implication, since it is a fact that "only Marcionites ever considered the idea that human births are sinful , so the birth via holy spirit relates to Marcionism"...

(...continuing...) Mark emphasizes the difference between the Jesus before the baptism, a sinful Jesus in need of purification via baptism ...and the Jesus after the baptism: a Jesus defended successfully by the holy spirit against the temptations in the wilderness. Hence it is self-evident that Ma...

Secret Alias wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:52 am Except for the fact that a certificate of authenticity was issued in 1976 and brought forward by Tselikas.

Can we have some more information?

Marcion interpreted this verse to mean docetism : Jesus only appeared to be in the sinful flesh. No need of a Temptation Story because the divine Jesus was immunized a priori to it. Mark interpreted this verse to mean humanity of Jesus: Jesus was really 'in the sinful flesh', hence he problem had t...

andrewcriddle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:50 am I think that Origen believed that we can discover the hidden meaning of a Gospel narrative or parable by comparing the different versions of the same pericope found in the 4 canonical Gospels.

Yes, I've been reading a lot of Origen lately, and that is one approach he sometimes uses.

It's one thing for Marcion to say 'this was the original, that was an interpolation' when he does not know. It's another thing if Marcion originated the gospel text and wanted it to be accepted. In that case, transparency is unexpected. IMHO Marcion explicitly presented his Gospel text as a critica...

StephenGoranson wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:40 am No, I mentioned Ben C. Smith as one indication why most scholars would not come or stay here.

I know that. I think everybody knows that.

Ben C. Smith, however, whom you seem to respect, had no relevant academic credentials (as you know).

Secret Alias wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:31 am I can remember spin (another guy who left this forum)

spin's still around a little. Just doesn't waste time with rehashing the same things over and over.

The comment "And we can only answer this question by appealing to polemical concerns" is not well argued.