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by Peter Kirby
Thu Mar 28, 2024 2:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 35
Views: 213

Re: History trumps Theology

If we found that every single idea whatsoever was of equal merit, that would be a very sad day indeed.

But, no, I don't buy it.

And if I did, I wouldn't see much point in pure speculation either.
by Peter Kirby
Thu Mar 28, 2024 1:13 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 35
Views: 213

Re: History trumps Theology

Why do you even bother to post if you cannot hope to convince anyone because you have no kind of basis for the theory whatsoever?
by Peter Kirby
Thu Mar 28, 2024 1:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 35
Views: 213

Re: History trumps Theology

Ah, but slogans have their own power to concentrate the minds of the consumer. History trumps Theology....might even raise a debate that the issue needs attending. Slogans are a substitute where evidence in favor of a theory doesn't exist. There is no evidence for any gospel Jesus theory or interpr...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Mar 28, 2024 1:09 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 35
Views: 213

Re: Any pre-325 CE writings where Jesus' historicity was doubted?

No history offered here with reference to the gospel Jesus story. You have not offered history, not even by your own definition, as in this thread you have revealed that you have no evidence and you have also previously said that history is about evidence. Therefore, you are dealing in something ot...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Mar 28, 2024 1:08 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 35
Views: 213

Re: History trumps Theology

There is no evidence for any gospel Jesus theory or interpretation. No evidence... Zero. At this point, you would logically just become skeptical of the historicity of Jesus. Instead, you have picked up the arguments of these skeptics parasitically to suggest that a completely unevidenced theory ca...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Mar 28, 2024 1:06 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 35
Views: 213

Re: History trumps Theology

maryhelena wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:42 pm It's take your pick time.
Contrary to the fallacy you employ to provide some kind of rhetorical justification for the introduction of your theory, without any evidence, most do not advocate for a descent into arbitrarily just picking something to believe.
by Peter Kirby
Thu Mar 28, 2024 1:00 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 35
Views: 213

Re: History trumps Theology

Ah, but slogans have their own power to concentrate the minds of the consumer. History trumps Theology....might even raise a debate that the issue needs attending. Slogans are a substitute where evidence in favor of a theory doesn't exist. There is no evidence for any gospel Jesus theory or interpr...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:14 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 35
Views: 213

Re: History trumps Theology

maryhelena wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 11:57 am Ah, but slogans have their own power to concentrate the minds of the consumer. History trumps Theology....might even raise a debate that the issue needs attending.
Slogans are a substitute where evidence in favor of a theory doesn't exist.
by Peter Kirby
Thu Mar 28, 2024 11:44 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ian Mills's "external evidence" that Luke preceded Marcion
Replies: 19
Views: 408

Re: Ian Mills's "external evidence" that Luke preceded Marcion

If we accept also that canonical Luke knew and used Matthew, then that places all three synoptic gospels before c. 130 CE. It may be interesting to mention Papias also in this connection. Remarks about Papias generally place him in the reign of Trajan. Most of the references occur in a context that...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Mar 28, 2024 11:11 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 35
Views: 213

Re: History trumps Theology

If there's an intellectual graveyard, then there is also a history of it, and all theology is also part of history. Indeed, there is a history of theology.... A written history or archaeological finds deemed to relate to theological ideas and practice. Scott Atran does good work "In God's We T...