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by Peter Kirby
Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:31 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How "complex and sophisticated" is the No-HJ argument - and is that a good thing?
Replies: 14
Views: 640

Re: How "complex and sophisticated" is the No-HJ argument - and is that a good thing?

I'm not sure what other point of substance or logic is here. This misreads the post. I didn’t even make the “point” that you suggested that I might have been making. This topic has been hashed, rehashed, and heated over. Sometimes I will find something new to add & it would be clear that is what I ...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:48 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: If the Testimonium Flavianum is partially genuine, then Jesus didn't exist
Replies: 61
Views: 1186

Re: If the Testimonium Flavianum is partially genuine, then Jesus didn't exist

Bro, I never said anything about conspiracy or eclipsing , and to " sound like they're speaking in code" is not to use a code language . is not it the fallacy of the false difference without a real distinction? Usually historicists explain the silence of Paul with two reasons (mutually exclusive): ...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:07 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: If the Testimonium Flavianum is partially genuine, then Jesus didn't exist
Replies: 61
Views: 1186

Re: If the Testimonium Flavianum is partially genuine, then Jesus didn't exist

Bro, I never said anything about conspiracy or eclipsing, and to "sound like they're speaking in code" is not to use a code language.
by Peter Kirby
Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:11 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: If the Testimonium Flavianum is partially genuine, then Jesus didn't exist
Replies: 61
Views: 1186

Re: If the Testimonium Flavianum is partially genuine, then Jesus didn't exist

Coudl the outsider Josephus sound so explicit , in the face of a his contemporary - insider Paul - who seems to be not so explicit about the real presence of the person on earth ? If I can just throw this out there, then, the answer is 'yes, actually'. People who are insiders can often sound like t...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:00 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: If the Testimonium Flavianum is partially genuine, then Jesus didn't exist
Replies: 61
Views: 1186

Re: If the Testimonium Flavianum is partially genuine, then Jesus didn't exist

The title is bait-and-switch and would read "Paul didn't mention a HJ, so Jesus didn't exist" if it wanted to be clear. the silence of the insider Paul becomes virtually stronger (=more unexpected) against the HJ. Could really he not mention what even a Pagan mentioned (even if only as mere hearsay...
by Peter Kirby
Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:56 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: If the Testimonium Flavianum is partially genuine, then Jesus didn't exist
Replies: 61
Views: 1186

Re: If the Testimonium Flavianum is partially genuine, then Jesus didn't exist

To continue an explanation of why this is important, that a Jesus in Paul could be an HJ or not-HJ in Paul: Every person is either a living-human type or not. So a reference to a named person is either to someone who either is a once-living human, or is not. Once we've established that a person is r...
by Peter Kirby
Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:51 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: If the Testimonium Flavianum is partially genuine, then Jesus didn't exist
Replies: 61
Views: 1186

Re: If the Testimonium Flavianum is partially genuine, then Jesus didn't exist

Paul comes rapidly to mind as example of someone who didn't mention the historical Jesus. One more comment: under the HJ hypothesis regarding Paul, all the mentions of "Jesus" in Paul are mentions of a historical Jesus. This is not to say that the mere mention of "Jesus" in Paul proves that Paul be...
by Peter Kirby
Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: If the Testimonium Flavianum is partially genuine, then Jesus didn't exist
Replies: 61
Views: 1186

Re: If the Testimonium Flavianum is partially genuine, then Jesus didn't exist

Related questions about absence of evidence crop up in law and in history. In legal contexts, the question has to do with the weight of negative evidence – testimony from a witness that he did not notice something, by contrast with the positive evidence of a witness who testifies to what he did see...
by Peter Kirby
Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:19 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How "complex and sophisticated" is the No-HJ argument - and is that a good thing?
Replies: 14
Views: 640

Re: How "complex and sophisticated" is the No-HJ argument - and is that a good thing?

Some of the commenters are not yet as advanced as the last, so their sophistication lacks the full complexity desired. One person gets a like for this cheerful note: My description of Christianity: Sop on top of slop. Any kind of ruined, unpalatable soup. Someone offers a what-if alternative hypothe...