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by Peter Kirby
Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:13 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On the anti-marcionite spittle of Jesus
Replies: 10
Views: 756

Re: On the anti-marcionite spittle of Jesus

Here there is mention of even three attempts, too, respectively the giving of the matter (by archons), of the soul (by the demiurge) and of the spirit (by the Supreme God): The rulers laid plans and said, "Come, let us create a man that will be soil from the earth." They modeled their creature as o...
by Peter Kirby
Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:21 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: New Testament -- which are the mythicist texts? Analysis of Carrier OHJ
Replies: 44
Views: 2425

Re: New Testament -- which are the mythicist texts? Analysis of Carrier OHJ

So Couchoud (note the difference from Carrier/Doherty even sharing the same general conclusion about where Jesus was crucified): The author of the Epistle to the Hebrews considers the Crucifixion, which is at the same time the priestly sacrifice, as taking place in heaven. Since expiatory victims h...
by Peter Kirby
Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:45 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Papias
Replies: 11
Views: 502

Re: Papias

hoping to discern earliest (ante-Nicene] sources (and have edited my OP to that effect). I see. I think your list is correct. If we're sticking to actual references to Papias and the text of his books, next in time would be post-Nicene (325) but pre-Chalcedonian (451). Maybe you're not strictly int...
by Peter Kirby
Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:17 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Papias
Replies: 11
Views: 502

Re: Papias

by Peter Kirby
Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:07 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: New Testament -- which are the mythicist texts? Analysis of Carrier OHJ
Replies: 44
Views: 2425

Re: New Testament -- which are the mythicist texts? Analysis of Carrier OHJ

Papist wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:03 pm
Just joined the Early Writings forum after reading it for months, and as you can tell by my username, I am a Catholic! But a reasonable one!
Welcome to the forum! :)
by Peter Kirby
Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:23 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On the anti-marcionite spittle of Jesus
Replies: 10
Views: 756

Re: On the anti-marcionite spittle of Jesus

Frankly, Peter, I had imagined that the your question was more interesting. Take it as a compliment. I understand that asking about sources is going to come across as being more inquisitorial than inquisitive, in the brief comment I left to ask, but it was just a simple question about sources. It w...
by Peter Kirby
Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:52 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On the anti-marcionite spittle of Jesus
Replies: 10
Views: 756

Re: On the anti-marcionite spittle of Jesus

Opening his eyes, he saw a vast quantity of matter without limit; and he became arrogant, saying, "It is I who am God, and there is none other apart from me". When he said this, he sinned against the entirety. And a voice came forth from above the realm of absolute power, saying, "You are mistaken, ...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:38 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On the anti-marcionite spittle of Jesus
Replies: 10
Views: 756

Re: On the anti-marcionite spittle of Jesus

Just as it was necessary for the Creator to animate the creation by the help of Sophia (i.e., with a second attempt) Is this based on some ancient sources (other than Genesis)? (more than 'other than Genesis' , I would say 'more than the Gnostic anti-nomian exegesis of Genesis' ) So what are they? ...
by Peter Kirby
Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:34 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On the anti-marcionite spittle of Jesus
Replies: 10
Views: 756

Re: On the anti-marcionite spittle of Jesus

Giuseppe wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:17 am
Just as it was necessary for the Creator to animate the creation by the help of Sophia (i.e., with a second attempt)
Is this based on some ancient sources (other than Genesis)?
by Peter Kirby
Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:48 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: New Testament -- which are the mythicist texts? Analysis of Carrier OHJ
Replies: 44
Views: 2425

Re: New Testament -- which are the mythicist texts? Analysis of Carrier OHJ

It's not a method but an observation. There is very little difference between the H and M texts in style and content: i.e. the lack of clear details about almost everything , much less details about a historical Jesus. This is true regardless of how you see Christianity originated. I've been saying...