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by Bingo
Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:30 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Marcionite Tradition was Jewish
Replies: 33
Views: 17440

Re: The Marcionite Tradition was Jewish

...It is unlikely that Elohim is the problem. As you have said - there are two instances of the word Elohim in Psalm 82.1. The first instance appears to refer to the one true god (aka “God”). The second instance appears to mean “gods.” So lemme ask ya this: Can you identify any other passage in the...
by Bingo
Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:11 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Marcionite Tradition was Jewish
Replies: 33
Views: 17440

Re: The Marcionite Tradition was Jewish

And Psalm 82:6 is often cited to denote the fact that humans are meant by 'elohim.' Well yea. But who really cares what the others think? Be realistic: We live in a world where 58% of Americans believe that Jesus will probably return by 2050. :facepalm: Perhaps we are dealing with two classes of hu...
by Bingo
Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:57 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Marcionite Tradition was Jewish
Replies: 33
Views: 17440

Re: The Marcionite Tradition was Jewish

The passage is ambiguous because elohim is used twice and el once and elohim bears a relation to el so one can translate the material a number of different ways and the passage IS TRANSLATED a number of different ways. There is no right answer. Well – I understand your point. Nevertheless the origi...
by Bingo
Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:14 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Marcionite Tradition was Jewish
Replies: 33
Views: 17440

Re: The Marcionite Tradition was Jewish

And the line you reference isn't limited to 11QMelk. It's the standard reading of Psalm 82:1 Elohim will stand in his assembly god in the midst of the gods he judges Doesn't say anything I can see about Elohim judging man. Does 11QMelk really read “ … will stand in his assembly ?” :wtf: Is “ will s...
by Bingo
Sun Jul 26, 2015 8:19 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Marcionite Tradition was Jewish
Replies: 33
Views: 17440

Re: The Marcionite Tradition was Jewish

Since I have your attention let me ask you this: Are you familiar with this paper? EL AS THE SPEAKING VOICE IN PSALM 82:6–8 In the following paragraphs we will argue that the above reading of Psalm 82 does not adequately account for the peculiarities in the text. In our view, these are best accounte...
by Bingo
Sun Jul 26, 2015 8:06 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Marcionite Tradition was Jewish
Replies: 33
Views: 17440

Re: The Marcionite Tradition was Jewish

Secret Alias wrote:Yes in my haste I wrote 'Psalm 82' when I should have said '11QMelk cites two Psalms.' My error.
Cool.

Thanks for clearing that up. :thumbup:

That possibility had crossed my mind.
by Bingo
Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:24 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Marcionite Tradition was Jewish
Replies: 33
Views: 17440

Re: The Marcionite Tradition was Jewish

Psalm 82 explicitly has Yahweh judge mankind and Elohim the gods. I’m sorry to have to repeat this question – but I’m really confused. Where does Psalm 82 explicitly use the name Yahweh? The reason I ask is because I’m not an expert on this stuff (I learn new things all the time). And if there is s...
by Bingo
Sun Jul 26, 2015 6:25 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Marcionite Tradition was Jewish
Replies: 33
Views: 17440

Re: The Marcionite Tradition was Jewish

You are confusing the pesher and the original texts. It is explicit that a being named Elohim judges the divine beings and a being named Yahweh judges men: Elohim will stand in the assembly of God, in the midst of the gods he judges And above it to the heights, return: Yahweh will judge the peoples...
by Bingo
Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:51 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Marcionite Tradition was Jewish
Replies: 33
Views: 17440

Re: The Marcionite Tradition was Jewish

Secret Alias wrote:Psalm 82 explicitly has Yahweh judge mankind and Elohim the gods.
Explicitly? :wtf:

Dude - what have you been smoking?

No “Jah Jah” in ps 82. :eek:
by Bingo
Fri Jul 24, 2015 8:19 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Marcionite Tradition was Jewish
Replies: 33
Views: 17440

Re: The Marcionite Tradition was Jewish

Dude - it’s just a figure of speech so get over it. It is “your hypothesis” because you are the one who started the thread. Afaik Philo is not a member of this forum. Doesn't say anything I can see about Elohim judging man. Right. Nevertheless it complicates your hypothesis (there I said it again ju...