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by Bernard Muller
Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:19 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel
Replies: 233
Views: 32670

Re: Marcion's Gospel

to Ben, No, I mean chapters 3-24 of Luke. (Not every single verse, obviously: I am just excluding chapters 1-2 in a general way from the main body.) My bad. That is probably also true. Chapters 1-2 and chapters 3-24 probably hail from the same area, but neither used the other as it was being compose...
by Bernard Muller
Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:00 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel
Replies: 233
Views: 32670

Re: Marcion's Gospel

to Ben, The highlighted part does not work for me. Luke 3-24 was not composed in continuation of Luke 1-2, because Luke 3.24 has its own excellent introduction (3.1-2), introduces John by his patronymic as if he had not been introduced before in the narrative, and seems to be ignorant of the relatio...
by Bernard Muller
Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:34 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel
Replies: 233
Views: 32670

Re: Marcion's Gospel

to Ben, And yet chapters 1-2 are clearly, on internal grounds, additions to a story line, introduced 3.1-2, which originally lacked them. Yes they are. But it makes more sense if Ch 1-2 was written after gMark got known to a community which valued women and accepted the Jewishness of Jesus. Then aft...
by Bernard Muller
Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:26 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel
Replies: 233
Views: 32670

Re: Marcion's Gospel

Marcion's gospel also did not have Ch. 3 (except part of Lk 3:1) and Ch. 4 up to Lk 4:31. That shows Marcion could eliminate huge chunks of Luke's gospel. Of course Marcion had many very good reasons not to include these chunks. BTW, part of Lk 1-2 were commented upon by Basilides and Valentinus at ...
by Bernard Muller
Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:38 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel
Replies: 233
Views: 32670

Re: Marcion's Gospel

to Ben, Without evidence about Theophilus' willingness and ability to follow up, we cannot use the preface as internal evidence of accuracy. What do you mean by that? Why would a Theophilus be willing and able to follow up? The preface is all BS, but with an important purpose, targeted to a Christia...
by Bernard Muller
Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel
Replies: 233
Views: 32670

Re: Marcion's Gospel

to Ben, Those are interesting arguments (which I have read before), but they do not negate the arguments for Luke 3.1-2 having formed the beginning of a/the gospel text. The stronger I feel your arguments about Philippi are, the more I want to integrate them into what I feel is the more certain cont...
by Bernard Muller
Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel
Replies: 233
Views: 32670

Re: Marcion's Gospel

to Ben, I have no real issue with the supposition that the nativity stories were written early(ish) and then tagged on to Luke 3-24, but the same effect is achieved if they were written by a different hand, as well, and then edited into Luke. The main thing is that chapters 1-2 are observably indepe...
by Bernard Muller
Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:16 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion's Gospel
Replies: 233
Views: 32670

Re: Marcion's Gospel

As I declared long ago on this forum, the nativity of GLuke was first written (with an emphasis on emancipated women). Then GMark got known in GLuke community. Soon afterwards, GLuke was written, with the purpose of replacing GMark. In the new gospel, the text of the nativity stories (already well k...
by Bernard Muller
Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:20 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The authorship of the apocalypse of John.
Replies: 47
Views: 24517

Re: The authorship of the apocalypse of John.

klewis, My goal was not to explore from where the author drew his imagery & prophecies. I just wanted to demonstrate Revelation was first written as a fully Jewish document (right after the events of 70 CE), and then added with Christian elements later on. Sure, the author incorporated a lot of OT s...
by Bernard Muller
Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:43 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The authorship of the apocalypse of John.
Replies: 47
Views: 24517

Re: The authorship of the apocalypse of John.

Did anyone read my two analysese? Or for some reason, people on this forum made a point to ignore my partipation? Can my credibility be considered near zero? Here I have an analysis of the identity of the author of john's gospel and the author of Revelation: http://historical-jesus.info/jnorig.html ...