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by Bernard Muller
Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:59 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The exegetical origins of the feeding of the 5000 (or 4000).
Replies: 37
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Re: The exegetical origins of the feeding of the 5000 (or 4000).

to Ben, It looks you gave me only two definitions from A ... III. What about the other definitions? The definition other that "recline" in A ... III is "lie at table" but I doubt it means be horizontal when eating & drinking. As for "recline", I doubt that chairs then at a table have their back at a...
by Bernard Muller
Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:06 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The exegetical origins of the feeding of the 5000 (or 4000).
Replies: 37
Views: 2822

Re: The exegetical origins of the feeding of the 5000 (or 4000).

to Ben,
So am I right or wrong on my last post?

Cordially, Bernard
by Bernard Muller
Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:04 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The exegetical origins of the feeding of the 5000 (or 4000).
Replies: 37
Views: 2822

Re: The exegetical origins of the feeding of the 5000 (or 4000).

to Ben, Mark 14.12-18: 12 On the first day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover lamb was being sacrificed, His disciples say to Him, “Where do You want us to go and prepare for You to eat the Passover?” 13 And He sends two of His disciples and says to them, “Go into the city, and a man will meet y...
by Bernard Muller
Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:24 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The exegetical origins of the feeding of the 5000 (or 4000).
Replies: 37
Views: 2822

Re: The exegetical origins of the feeding of the 5000 (or 4000).

Meier in Marginal Jew suggests that an actual incident involving bread and fish has been rewritten I agree, except that incident was never written but known by hearing an eyewitness and remembering his words. to bring in eucharistic and other symbolism. I don't think the miraculous feedings brings ...
by Bernard Muller
Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:10 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The exegetical origins of the feeding of the 5000 (or 4000).
Replies: 37
Views: 2822

Re: The exegetical origins of the feeding of the 5000 (or 4000).

to Ben, Yes, I missed on "recline". But most bibles translate the Greek word by "sit down", which make sense because there was nothing to support the back of these 5000 for this impromptu meal outside. "recline" is never associated with the Passover meal in the gospels, but seems to describe a relax...
by Bernard Muller
Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:33 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The exegetical origins of the feeding of the 5000 (or 4000).
Replies: 37
Views: 2822

Re: The exegetical origins of the feeding of the 5000 (or 4000).

to Ben, You did not answer my other points in my earlier post. Did you find them too difficult to tackle? A reminder: That would entail that "Mark" had done an exegetical study like yours in order to make his story about the feeding of the 5000. In a time there was no internet, no display on the web...
by Bernard Muller
Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:27 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The exegetical origins of the feeding of the 5000 (or 4000).
Replies: 37
Views: 2822

Re: The exegetical origins of the feeding of the 5000 (or 4000).

to Ben, but I hold that the story can have taken shape entirely without it. That would entail that "Mark" had done an exegetical study like yours in order to make his story about the feeding of the 5000. In a time there was no internet, no display on the web of Jewish scriptures and no sophisticated...
by Bernard Muller
Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:40 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The exegetical origins of the feeding of the 5000 (or 4000).
Replies: 37
Views: 2822

Re: The exegetical origins of the feeding of the 5000 (or 4000).

to Ben, (Bolding mine) For the record, I think it is possible that a version of Mark existed without the Bethsaida section, and then the Bethsaida section was added, and then Matthew copied from the second version while Luke either copied from the first or had a ripped copy of the second. I suspect ...
by Bernard Muller
Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:34 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The exegetical origins of the feeding of the 5000 (or 4000).
Replies: 37
Views: 2822

Re: The exegetical origins of the feeding of the 5000 (or 4000).

to Ben, (all bolding mine) No. To characterize the source of inspiration as "bits and pieces" is drastically wrong, on my reading. OK, so you think the source of inspiration came from existing texts then (when gMark was written) or ideas & specific words (some later captured by rabbinic documents). ...
by Bernard Muller
Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:44 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The exegetical origins of the feeding of the 5000 (or 4000).
Replies: 37
Views: 2822

Re: The exegetical origins of the feeding of the 5000 (or 4000).

to ben, Is your exegetical origins of the feeding of the 5000 (or 4000) meant to show that "Mark" was inspired by bits and pieces from the Jewish scriptures (& other sources) in order to write his crowd feeding stories? Obviously, you did not buy the missing block removed from a copy of gMark that "...