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by GakuseiDon
Sun Apr 28, 2024 5:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 87
Views: 1683

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

One possibility (possibly wrong) is that Marcion (or his literary aid/s) worked from a manuscript of Luke and from a manuscript of Matthew to attempt to present the authentic, un-interpolated original Gospel. Assuming he worked from those manuscripts, then: what was he working with ? Insight, revel...
by GakuseiDon
Sun Apr 28, 2024 4:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 87
Views: 1683

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

That, I think, is Marcionism. I am Marcion, the Man of Pontus, because we are all Marcion, Man of Pontus. Each of us attempts to recreate the world to fit how we can best economize it to suite our understanding of it so we can cope and survive. Marcion is human psychology. Marcion is human philosop...
by GakuseiDon
Fri Apr 26, 2024 11:58 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul's use of or references to 'gospel'
Replies: 11
Views: 282

Re: Paul's use of or references to 'gospel'

spin wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2024 9:32 pm(And GakuseiDon whinces, "Oh no, not another fabricated interpolation!?")
Haha, true! But what you write makes a lot of sense.
by GakuseiDon
Fri Apr 26, 2024 4:03 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul's use of or references to 'gospel'
Replies: 11
Views: 282

Re: Paul's use of or references to 'gospel'

Galatians 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
by GakuseiDon
Fri Apr 26, 2024 12:39 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 87
Views: 1683

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

Reading Marcion's, 'Jesus came down to Capernaum', as a literal, flesh and blood journey, sounds strange to the ear - i.e. we use that sort of expression often (i.e. my sister came down to London - from up north somewhere or another). Since Marcion's gospel found no use for birth narratives - perha...
by GakuseiDon
Thu Apr 25, 2024 2:36 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Book 6.5.3 of Wars of the Jews.
Replies: 17
Views: 414

Re: Book 6.5.3 of Wars of the Jews.

Joseph D. L. wrote: Thu Apr 25, 2024 11:06 amMakes you wonder where God is going when he strolls on out of the Temple. Weird that Jesus ben Ananias appears, stage right and on his mark.
I suspect that Josephus was implying that God was about to put His weight behind the Roman side, with Vespasian as God's new favorite.
by GakuseiDon
Thu Apr 25, 2024 6:02 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Book 6.5.3 of Wars of the Jews.
Replies: 17
Views: 414

Re: Book 6.5.3 of Wars of the Jews.

Josephus also implies that God had removed Himself from the Temple. This is consistent with what he wrote about how God had abandoned Jerusalem and the Temple due to the actions of robbers and the High Priests: At the same festival also, a heifer, as she was led by the high priest to be sacrificed, ...
by GakuseiDon
Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:00 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite
Replies: 49
Views: 804

Re: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite

Giuseppe wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:11 pmWithout offence, but the Ebionites don't matter in this thread.
:thumbup: My apologies Giuseppe. All good. Sometimes I get caught up in my own hobby horse! I'll start a new thread on that at some time in the future rather than derail yours.
by GakuseiDon
Thu Apr 18, 2024 11:00 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite
Replies: 49
Views: 804

Re: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite

Ebionism is a post-Marcion phenomenon... Yes, that's why I wrote "Ebion-like". I believe the Ebionites were the continuation of the beliefs of the original Christians, even if modified by time. This is because the letters that appear to either be written before the Gospels or were unaffec...
by GakuseiDon
Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:13 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite
Replies: 49
Views: 804

Re: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite

The point is the same of Hebrews 4:15: Jesus is fully human, only remember that the his humanity was without sin. You don't need to explain that his humanity was without sin, unless you are addressing people who did n't accept a human Jesus, i.e. Marcionites . A 'Jesus without sin" is consiste...