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by maryhelena
Thu Mar 28, 2024 2:42 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 36
Views: 225

Re: History trumps Theology

If we found that every single idea whatsoever was of equal merit, that would be a very sad day indeed. But, no, I don't buy it. And if I did, I wouldn't see much point in pure speculation either. There are ideas I don't buy. We all judge ideas as best we can. Indeed, a very sad day were we to judge...
by maryhelena
Thu Mar 28, 2024 2:22 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 36
Views: 225

Re: History trumps Theology

If there's an intellectual graveyard, then there is also a history of it, and all theology is also part of history. So I invite maryhelena to sing a Duet with me entitled, "Who were the Hasmoneans?" CW Wish I could but I can't hold a tune..while an Irish rebel song might do justice to the...
by maryhelena
Thu Mar 28, 2024 2:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 36
Views: 225

Re: History trumps Theology

Peter Kirby wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 1:13 pm Why do you even bother to post if you cannot hope to convince anyone because you have no kind of basis for the theory whatsoever?


Nobody on this forum has evidence for a historical gospel Jesus. People offer theories, interpretations, opinions.

What theory of mine are you referring to?
by maryhelena
Thu Mar 28, 2024 2:06 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 36
Views: 225

Re: History trumps Theology

There is no evidence for any gospel Jesus theory or interpretation. No evidence... Zero. At this point, you would logically just become skeptical of the historicity of Jesus. Instead, you have picked up the arguments of these skeptics parasitically to suggest that a completely unevidenced theory ca...
by maryhelena
Thu Mar 28, 2024 1:08 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 36
Views: 225

Re: History trumps Theology

Ah, but slogans have their own power to concentrate the minds of the consumer. History trumps Theology....might even raise a debate that the issue needs attending. Slogans are a substitute where evidence in favor of a theory doesn't exist. There is no evidence for any gospel Jesus theory or interpr...
by maryhelena
Thu Mar 28, 2024 1:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 36
Views: 225

Re: Any pre-325 CE writings where Jesus' historicity was doubted?

The historical act ? What historical act are you referring to ? The historical activity that underlies a religious story. For instance, the historical details of the sacrifice of Isaac are not actually “spiritually useful” for understanding the event. The meaning of the sacrifice of Isaac resides i...
by maryhelena
Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:42 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 36
Views: 225

Re: History trumps Theology

Ah, but slogans have their own power to concentrate the minds of the consumer. History trumps Theology....might even raise a debate that the issue needs attending. Slogans are a substitute where evidence in favor of a theory doesn't exist. There is no evidence for any gospel Jesus theory or interpr...
by maryhelena
Thu Mar 28, 2024 11:57 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 36
Views: 225

Re: History trumps Theology

If there's an intellectual graveyard, then there is also a history of it, and all theology is also part of history. Indeed, there is a history of theology.... A written history or archaeological finds deemed to relate to theological ideas and practice. Scott Atran does good work "In God's We T...
by maryhelena
Thu Mar 28, 2024 10:51 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 36
Views: 225

Re: History trumps Theology

StephenGoranson wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 10:43 am Is anyone here actually arguing that Christianity has nothing to do with history?
Not me..... :popcorn:
by maryhelena
Thu Mar 28, 2024 10:48 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 36
Views: 225

Re: Any pre-325 CE writings where Jesus' historicity was doubted?

Seriously though, history is important not just for people today but also for the gospel writers. It is history that has the potential to throw its light upon the gospel Jesus story. All theology can do is lead the way to an intellectual graveyard. If we understand religion as a foundational social...