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by maryhelena
Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:58 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 8
Views: 26

Re: Any pre-325 CE writings where Jesus' historicity was doubted?

The core of the gospel Jesus story. - a Roman execution of a King of the Jews - the fundamental historical Christian claim... a claim that will symbolically be played out in some churches tomorrow, by thousands of believers in the historicity of the gospel Jesus figure.... *** A sacrifice of a huma...
by maryhelena
Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:36 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 8
Views: 26

Re: What is implied if Jesus' historicity was not doubted?

StephenGoranson wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:25 am Declaring what Gospel writers could and could not have written and meant, based on retrojecting one individual's modern preference, for example that such was somehow really about the last Hasmonean, is sometimes called eisegesis.
History, Stephen....history trumps theology... :popcorn:
by maryhelena
Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:07 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 8
Views: 26

Re: Any pre-325 CE writings where Jesus' historicity was doubted?

So - you get 100 doubters against 1000 believers - what then ? This is an exercise in futility...... And imagine if a Middle-platonic first century "doubter" knew the "truth" that the Monad existed and that Christ devotees held deluded positions on reality! Much like we regard t...
by maryhelena
Thu Mar 28, 2024 1:16 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Any pre-325 CE writings where Jesus' historicity was doubted?
Replies: 33
Views: 530

Re: Any pre-325 CE writings where Jesus' historicity was doubted?

Are you contending that these people thought that the figure of IS XS appeared in history as a god, or a deity, or a spirit, or a mythological being rather than a historical "fleshy" human being? That's right. So if Marcion, for example, had a time machine, he'd have thought he could go b...
by maryhelena
Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:15 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What is implied if Jesus' historicity was not doubted?
Replies: 17
Views: 276

Re: Any pre-325 CE writings where Jesus' historicity was doubted?

GD's question has merit, its perfectly fine to catalogue such statements. OK.... catalogue away.... 😁 I think a more pertinent question, however, is whether there was anyone who expressed any knowledge of a Jesus person independent of the Gospel accounts. To my knowledge there is no evidence for an...
by maryhelena
Wed Mar 27, 2024 1:06 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What is implied if Jesus' historicity was not doubted?
Replies: 17
Views: 276

Re: Any pre-325 CE writings where Jesus' historicity was doubted?

GDon The title of your thread asked the question: Any pre-325 CE writings where Jesus' historicity was doubted? Your OP went on to define what you mean by 'historical Jesus'. ' 'By 'historical Jesus', I mean a figure living around 30 CE who inspired the Gospel stories, even if the Gospel stories th...
by maryhelena
Wed Mar 27, 2024 12:09 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 8
Views: 26

Re: Any pre-325 CE writings where Jesus' historicity was doubted?

GDon The title of your thread asked the question: Any pre-325 CE writings where Jesus' historicity was doubted? Your OP went on to define what you mean by 'historical Jesus'. ' 'By 'historical Jesus', I mean a figure living around 30 CE who inspired the Gospel stories, even if the Gospel stories the...
by maryhelena
Tue Mar 26, 2024 8:23 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Easter, Eostre
Replies: 11
Views: 526

Re: Easter, Eostre

@maryhelena, that hot cross bun with a tick is just wrong! :D That'll never take off. I certainly wouldn't buy them. Your probably right..... A boycott could make Iceland think again. However..... Nike look to be keeping their change of the colouring of the England flag on football clothes. From re...
by maryhelena
Tue Mar 26, 2024 5:12 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What is implied if Jesus' historicity was not doubted?
Replies: 17
Views: 276

Re: Any pre-325 CE writings where Jesus' historicity was doubted?

As you indicated above re my question on crucifixion - ''not necessarily I suppose' - then, I would suggest, that is a good starting point when looking for a figure, during the time of Tiberius and Pilate, that might have left his footprint..... Fair point, but this thread isn't about looking for s...
by maryhelena
Tue Mar 26, 2024 3:46 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 8
Views: 26

Re: Any pre-325 CE writings where Jesus' historicity was doubted?

Was your 'figure living around 30 CE who inspired the Gospel stories' crucified ? Hmmm... not even if the Gospel stories themselves are false.I suppose. It's the time-travel test: if you can take a time machine back to around that time period could you meet the person who inspired the development o...