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by maryhelena
Fri Apr 26, 2024 4:50 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 52
Views: 1091

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

Reading Marcion's, 'Jesus came down to Capernaum', as a literal, flesh and blood journey, sounds strange to the ear Tertullian glosses this expression more as a Star Trek-style beaming down: he "came down to the Galilean city of Capernaum," of course meaning from the heaven of the Creator...
by maryhelena
Fri Apr 26, 2024 2:30 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 52
Views: 1091

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

I'm throwing an idea out there in cyber space... If the gospel in the hand of Marcion is, re Klinghardt, the oldest gospel - was this gospel the first to name the 'wonder-worker- of the Slavonic Josephus story ? If so, Klinghardt would be correct to label the gospel in the hands of Marcion as the ol...
by maryhelena
Fri Apr 26, 2024 2:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 52
Views: 1091

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

Of course Luke derived from *Ev the idea of a spiritual entity descending on the earth in 3:2: in the 15° year of Tiberius [...] the word of God descended on John son of Zechariah in the wilderness The "word of God" is the Logos . The Logos idea comes from Philo.....Logos, mind, ideas - c...
by maryhelena
Fri Apr 26, 2024 12:45 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 52
Views: 1091

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

Reading Marcion's, 'Jesus came down to Capernaum', as a literal, flesh and blood journey, sounds strange to the ear - i.e. we use that sort of expression often (i.e. my sister came down to London - from up north somewhere or another). Since Marcion's gospel found no use for birth narratives - perha...
by maryhelena
Fri Apr 26, 2024 12:22 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 52
Views: 1091

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

Capernaum and Marcion Post by maryhelena » Sat Feb 18, 2023 9:46 pm While both the gospel attributed to Marcion and the gospel of Luke make reference to the 15th year of Tiberius, Marcion's gospel has his Jesus coming down to Capernaum in that year. The gospel of Matthew says of Jesus: Leaving Naza...
by maryhelena
Wed Apr 24, 2024 8:01 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Josephus again
Replies: 26
Views: 576

Re: Josephus again

Testimonium and Pilate -ca 30AD. Ant was published 94CE.I'm not too attached to this calculation The TF is set within a context of 19 c. e. It seems your not committed to Josephus dating for your Jesus theory. But I thought you said, or inferred, the gospel writers got their Jesus figure from Josep...
by maryhelena
Wed Apr 24, 2024 6:31 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Josephus again
Replies: 26
Views: 576

Re: Josephus again

But that's exactly how Jesus was created - Ant's reader found the right man in the book, who supposedly lived 65 years earlier, was loved by Jews and Gentiles, died on a cross. He thought and decided - this is the Messiah. The rest will be added. Why stop at 65 years? Why not go with 75 years and s...
by maryhelena
Wed Apr 24, 2024 4:31 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Josephus again
Replies: 26
Views: 576

Re: Josephus again

Outside of Josephus there is no historical evidence for these two figures. It is not important. Invented hero is even better. Jesus ben Ananias, ben Sepphat, James' brother, and the last one ben Miriam called Christ. Tradition of historical Jesus was invented My comment, in context, related to the ...
by maryhelena
Wed Apr 24, 2024 1:22 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Josephus again
Replies: 26
Views: 576

Re: Josephus again

The story of Jesus started in Ant. And was developed by ghostwriters in letters, in gospels. With invented tradition to cover the past. The main Jesus in the works of Josephus is Jesus ben Saphat/Sapphas/Sapphias. See Frans Vermeiren's 2017 book, A Chronological Revision of the Origins of Christian...
by maryhelena
Wed Apr 24, 2024 12:19 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Josephus again
Replies: 26
Views: 576

Re: Josephus again

The story of Jesus started in Ant. It's one thing to say, as I do, that Josephus supports the gospel story - as a literary construct. It is quite another thing to claim that the Jesus story started in Antiquities. One could argue, as I have done, that the Lukan writer needed Antiquities for his 15t...